Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-22 Thread Joshua Wiley
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Giovanni Azua brave...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 21, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Bert Gunter wrote: we disagree is that I think data analysts with limited statistical backgrounds should consult with local statisticians instead of trying to muddle through on their own thru

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-22 Thread Giovanni Azua
On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Joshua Wiley wrote: It is true the way you use general lists is not our business, but the R-help list is a community and there are community rules. One of I meant that my use of the lists is not of __his__ business I wasn't referring to you nor other people in

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-22 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Giovanni Azua brave...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Gunter did not read/understand my problem, and there were no useful tips but only ad hominem attacks. By your side-taking I suspect you are in the same party club if you want to defend him maybe you should start by

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-22 Thread Giovanni Azua
On Nov 22, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Giovanni Azua brave...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Gunter did not read/understand my problem, and there were no useful tips but only ad hominem attacks. By your side-taking I suspect you are in the same party club

[R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Giovanni Azua
Hello, I know there is plenty of people in this group who can give me a good answer :) I have a 2^k model where k=4 like this: Model 1) R~A*B*C*D If I use the * in R among all elements it means to me to explore all interactions and include them in the model i.e. I think this would be the so

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Giovanni Azua
Hello, Couple of clarifications: - A,B,C,D are factors and I am also interested in possible interactions but the model that comes out from aov R~A*B*C*D violates the model assumptions - My 2^k is unbalanced i.e. missing data and an additional level I also include in one of the factors i.e. C -

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Bert Gunter
Giovanni: 1. Please read ?formula and/or An Introduction to R for how to specify linear models in R. 2. Correct specification of what you want (if I understand correctly) is log(R) ~ A*B + C + D 3. ... which presumably will also fail because some of your factors have only one level, which means

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Giovanni Azua
Hello Bert, Thank you for taking the time to try to answer. 1) I know this, however if one is interested in only interaction between two specific factors then in R one uses I(A*B*C) meaning 3-way anova for that and not the implicit 2-ways that would otherwise be computed. 2) True, but it

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread ONKELINX, Thierry
Onderwerp: Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question Hello Bert, Thank you for taking the time to try to answer. 1) I know this, however if one is interested in only interaction between two specific factors then in R one uses I(A*B*C) meaning 3-way anova for that and not the implicit 2

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Rob Griffin
luck. Rob -Original Message- From: Giovanni Azua Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:59 PM To: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question Hello Bert, Thank you for taking the time to try to answer. 1) I know this, however if one is interested in only

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Bert Gunter
-help-boun...@r-project.org] Namens Giovanni Azua Verzonden: maandag 21 november 2011 17:00 Aan: r-help@r-project.org Onderwerp: Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question Hello Bert, Thank you for taking the time to try to answer. 1) I know this, however if one is interested in only

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Giovanni Azua
Hello Rob, Thank you for your suggestions. I tried glm too without success. Anyhow I include all the information just in case someone with good knowledge can give me a hand with this. I take log of the response variable because: - its values span across multiple orders of magnitudes - the

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Giovanni Azua
On Nov 21, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Bert Gunter wrote: we disagree is that I think data analysts with limited statistical backgrounds should consult with local statisticians instead of trying to muddle through on their own thru lists like this. This is not meant I think that people lacking reading

Re: [R] [OT] 1 vs 2-way anova technical question

2011-11-21 Thread Rolf Turner
This sort of post seems to me to be completely unacceptable. Is there a mechanism by which the list manager can unsubscribe Mr. Azua and keep him unsubscribed until he learns some manners? cheers, Rolf Turner On 22/11/11 10:28, Giovanni Azua wrote: On Nov 21, 2011, at 8:31 PM,