Re: [R] [R-sig-ME] Fwd: Re: ANOVA and Pseudoreplication in R

2011-02-27 Thread Ben Ward
On 27/02/2011 05:46, Robert A LaBudde wrote: I think you are over-concerned with the term pseudo-replication. All this means is that the error source is nested, and not a full replicate. What you haven't done, and need to do, is to describe your experiment in terms of the real variables and

Re: [R] [R-sig-ME] Fwd: Re: ANOVA and Pseudoreplication in R

2011-02-26 Thread Ben Ward
On 25/02/2011 21:22, Ben Ward wrote: Original Message Subject:Re: [R] ANOVA and Pseudoreplication in R Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:10:14 -0800 From: Bert Guntergunter.ber...@gene.com To: Ben Wardbenjamin.w...@bathspa.org CC: r-helpr-help@r-project.org I

Re: [R] [R-sig-ME] Fwd: Re: ANOVA and Pseudoreplication in R

2011-02-26 Thread Bert Gunter
Hi Ben: 1) Confession: I did not and have not read your post in detail. 2) IMHO, the following advice: Pseudo replication is really about a lack of independence between measurements, So you need to work backwards and see where you are building in a known lack of independence. And where that

Re: [R] [R-sig-ME] Fwd: Re: ANOVA and Pseudoreplication in R

2011-02-26 Thread Robert A LaBudde
I think you are over-concerned with the term pseudo-replication. All this means is that the error source is nested, and not a full replicate. What you haven't done, and need to do, is to describe your experiment in terms of the real variables and error sources. Then code them as fixed or