Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor

2012-05-19 Thread peter dalgaard
From: Helios de Rosario [mailto:helios.derosa...@ibv.upv.es] Sent: Fri 18/05/2012 15.14 To: David Costantini; r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor Hi, after re-reading I think that I misunderstood your question

Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor

2012-05-19 Thread David Costantini
-Original Message- From: peter dalgaard [mailto:pda...@gmail.com] Sent: Sat 19/05/2012 9.22 To: David Costantini Cc: Helios de Rosario; r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor On May 18, 2012, at 16:15 , David Costantini wrote

Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor

2012-05-18 Thread Helios de Rosario
I suppose you mean this: http://www.r-project.org/doc/Rnews/Rnews_2007-2.pdf Another approach, less general but in my opinion easier to use (and equivalent in many situations), is provided by Anova() in package car. See:

Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor

2012-05-18 Thread Helios de Rosario
Hi, after re-reading I think that I misunderstood your question. You don't provide many details, but I suppose that the brood effect is nested within the fixed effects, so you don't mean a multivariate approach for a split-plot or a repeated-measures design, but the analysis of a multivariate

Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor

2012-05-18 Thread David Costantini
http://www.ornisitalica.com http://www.birdcam.it From: Helios de Rosario [mailto:helios.derosa...@ibv.upv.es] Sent: Fri 18/05/2012 15.14 To: David Costantini; r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] MANOVA

[R] MANOVA with random factor

2012-05-17 Thread David Costantini
Dear All I would need to perform a MANOVA with both fixed (group, sex, group*sex) and random (brood) effects. I wonder if this is at all possible and if R does that. At the moment, I only know that I can run a classic MANOVA with R. Thank you David __