I'm mindful of the volunteer nature of R-core, but I'm also sympathetic to
Donald.
I use Sweave to create documents, though I tend to view Sweave as a
typesetter, not a report writer. What do I see as the difference? Sweave
typesets _raw_ R output. A report writer makes it easier to quickly
2010/8/21 Donald Winston satchwins...@yahoo.com
I know how to program in a dozen languages. I have a B.A. in mathematics,
and an M.S. in operations research and statistics.
I just don't care, I would try to answer you even if you had no formation.
I can figure out how to write reports in
I should not have used the terms 4GL and 3GL. I'm just looking for a simple
way to create a report in R. It appears the R way to generate a report is to
roll your own. There is no report() function analogous to plot() (which is
very good) to generate a report from a table of data. I did not
Sweave and LaTex is way to much overhead to deal with. There should be a
built in standard report() function analogous to plot().
Something like the following is necessary if you want real people to take R
seriously:
report(data=aDataFrame, vars=vectorOfColumnNames,
label=vectorOfColumnNames,
People have been generating reports with a computer for many years. R is
supposed to be an analytical engine. Report writing is fundamental to any
kind of analysis tool. SAS has had several report procedures/functions since
the very beginning(1960's?). SAS stands for Statistical Analysis System.
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 20:09 -0700, Donald Paul Winston wrote:
I should not have used the terms 4GL and 3GL. I'm just looking for a
simple way to create a report in R. It appears the R way to generate
a report is to roll your own. There is no report() function
analogous to plot() (which is very
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 22:13 -0700, Donald Paul Winston wrote:
People have been generating reports with a computer for many years. R is
supposed to be an analytical engine. Report writing is fundamental to any
kind of analysis tool. SAS has had several report procedures/functions since
the very
On 21-Aug-10 08:33:50, Gavin Simpson wrote:
[...]
If that is too much trouble then I'm sure SAS will welcome you
with open arms (and then have one of those arms in down payment ;-)
HTH
G
... And also leave you with only one leg to stand on ... ;-)
Ted.
[...]
Just show us what is the kind of report you want to do, and you will perhaps
get a solution to reproduce it. Then, if you don't like the way to do that,
write your own code or don't use R, noone force you. The majority of R users
are satisfied with the way to generate reports, because it is
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Donald Paul Winston
satchwins...@yahoo.com wrote:
The ability to generate standard detail, summary, cross-tabs, and control
break reports is very important in government and corporate enterprises.
The great thing about standards, as a wise man once said, is
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:01:17PM -0700, Donald Paul Winston wrote:
Sweave and LaTex is way to much overhead to deal with. There should be a
built in standard report() function analogous to plot().
Something like the following is necessary if you want real people to take R
seriously:
Frank E Harrell Jr Professor and ChairmanSchool of Medicine
Department of Biostatistics Vanderbilt University
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Donald Paul Winston wrote:
Sweave and LaTex is way to much overhead to deal with. There should be a
built in standard report()
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:35 AM, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote:
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:01:17PM -0700, Donald Paul Winston wrote:
Sweave and LaTex is way to much overhead to deal with. There should be a
built in standard report() function analogous to plot().
Something like
Your notes are not well thought out.
You'll find that r-help is a friendly place for new users that do not
come in with an attitude.
I once used SAS (for 23 years) and know it very well. I wrote the
first SAS procedures for a graphics device, percentiles,
logistic regression, and Cox
Donald Paul Winston wrote:
Sweave and LaTex is way to much overhead to deal with. There should be a
built in standard report() function analogous to plot().
Something like the following is necessary if you want real people to take R
seriously:
report(data=aDataFrame, vars=vectorOfColumnNames,
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Donald Winston wrote:
The point is SAS has had simple reporting for 30 years. R apparently doesn't
have any. Why is it so hard to accept that a report function analogous to a
plot function would be a good thing?
R has had more advanced reporting features that SAS since
Good grief. Adding a report function is not going to make R less flexible.
Don't
you want to use a tool that's relevant to the rest of the world? That world is
much bigger then your world. This is ridiculous.
Looks like some people are complaining about me criticizing R and the people
who
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Donald Paul Winston wrote:
Good grief. Adding a report function is not going to make R less flexible. Don't
you want to use a tool that's relevant to the rest of the world? That world is
much bigger then your world. This is ridiculous.
Looks like some people are
Yeah but, in considering Revolution, they do not offer a Mac version. Their Mac
version (community version) is just an older version of R---?? What was that
about? Their support is patchy and personally I would avoid them like the
plague (for other reasons not mentioned). I would however
Sweave/LaTeX is really not as bad as you think. I started using it and I'm
generating reports without a glitch. I'd consider giving it an honest effort.
On Aug 20, 2010, at 10:01 PM, Donald Paul Winston wrote:
Sweave and LaTex is way to much overhead to deal with. There should be a
built in
Good grief. Adding a report function is not going to make R less flexible.
Don't
you want to use a tool that's relevant to the rest of the world? That world is
much bigger then your world. This is ridiculous.
How big a world do you want , Google use R successfully , and it is
being used by
I must repeat: just show us what is the kind of report you want to
do, and you will perhaps
get a solution to reproduce it
We still don't know what is the output of your report() function.
This, is ridiculous.
On Saturday, August 21, 2010, Frank Harrell f.harr...@vanderbilt.edu wrote:
On Sat,
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Donald Paul Winston
satchwins...@yahoo.com wrote:
Good grief. Adding a report function is not going to make R less flexible.
Don't
you want to use a tool that's relevant to the rest of the world? That world is
much bigger then your world. This is ridiculous.
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On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Donald Paul Winston
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Good grief. Adding
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On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Donald Paul Winston
satchwins...@yahoo.com wrote:
Good grief. Adding a report function is not going to make R less flexible.
Don't
I have personal experience with SAS and R people.
Agreed, there is a huge cultural gap between of SAS (and SAS users) and open
source / R users and projects.
In my experience frequently the closed source companies and users of their
expensive products who reside in their small, comfortable
Hi,
are you looking for something like SAS ODS?
(The terms 4GL and declarative programming are confusing)
With SAS ODS an output destination is opened at one place oft the program
(e.g. HTML or PDF or both), subsequent procedures then write output to the
destination(s).
The procedures don't
I don't see much in the way of an ability to write reports in R the way you
can with SAS. You basically have to write a program with R in a 3G way
unlike SAS with it's 4G proc print and proc report.
Are there similar R functions and packages?
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I don't see much in the way of an ability to write reports in
R the way you can with SAS. You basically have to write a
program with R in a 3G way unlike SAS with it's 4G proc print
and proc report.
Are there similar R functions and packages?
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Onderwerp: [R] R reports
I don't see much in the way of an ability to write reports in
R the way you can with SAS. You
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Onderwerp: [R] R reports
I don't see much in the way of an ability to write reports in
R the way you
Oops, I meant 4GL. Part of SAS involves more or less declarative coding
where SAS figures out how to process the information and you don't have to.
Sweave and html generators in R are not what I'm looking for. I'm looking
for a function whose arguments are data, column names, grouping variables,
I'm not sure I understand what is 3GL or 4GL, but R is on the list of
fourth-generation
languages : Data manipulation, analysis, and reporting
languageshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_programming_language#Some_fourth-generation_languages
on
wikipedia.
I don't know a function like
What do low level proc print and proc report have on Sweave or
http://biostat.mc.vanderbilt.edu/wiki/pub/Main/StatReport/summary.pdf?
If proc print and proc report are 4G, let's move back a generation.
Frank E Harrell Jr Professor and ChairmanSchool of Medicine
On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Frank Harrell wrote:
What do low level proc print and proc report have on Sweave or
http://biostat.mc.vanderbilt.edu/wiki/pub/Main/StatReport/summary.pdf?
If proc print and proc report are 4G, let's move back a generation.
Er, no...
AFAIK, 4GL just means that
The sos package is designed to search the help pages of all
contributed packages and return the results in a data.frame sorted to
put first the package with the most matches. It also has a vignette,
which appeared in last December's issue of The R Journal. This can be
used to search in a
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Oops, I meant 4GL. Part of SAS involves more or less declarative
coding
where SAS figures out how
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