Le samedi 20 février 2010 à 09:44 -0800, Dieter Menne a écrit :
If you check
http://n4.nabble.com/R-help-f789696.html
you will note that this thread has the largest number of read since years.
Looks like an encouragement to Mark to keep the mentioned CRAN document
updated.
To add a
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(with caveats) in
statistics.
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Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
Pure Food and Drug Act: 1906
FDA: 1930s
founding of SAS: early 1970s
(from the history websites of SAS
mmHg
My message: If you hear not validated or validated, question it.
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the integration into the
existing clinical database systems that would have to be rewritten **and
validated**.
Implicitly: Even if you let your cat enter SAS code, the results are
correct, because they SAS is validated.
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On Feb 19, 2010, at 6:56 AM, John Sorkin wrote:
Bert,
There is a lesson here. Just as intolerance of any statistical analysis
program (or system) other than SAS should lead to our being drive crazy, so
to should intolerance of
any statistical analysis program (or system) other than R.
: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
Bert,
There is a lesson here. Just as intolerance of any statistical analysis
program (or system) other than SAS should lead to our being drive crazy, so
to should intolerance of
any statistical analysis program (or system) other than R.
John
Dieter Menne
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To: John Sorkin jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu
To: Gunter Bert gunter.ber...@gene.com
Cc: Dieter Menne dieter.me...@menne-biomed.de
Cc: r-help@r-project.org
Sent: 2/19/2010 12:55:36 PM
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
On Feb 19, 2010, at 6:56 AM, John Sorkin wrote
Laboratories
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From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On
Behalf Of Peter Dalgaard
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 5:55 PM
To: Frank E Harrell Jr
Cc: r-help@r-project.org; Cody Hamilton
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
Frank E
On 2/18/10, Frank E Harrell Jr f.harr...@vanderbilt.edu wrote:
How amazing that SAS is still used to produce reports that reviewers hate
and that requires tedious low-level programming. R + LaTeX has it all over
To simplify things, R + LyX could also be a solution.
Liviu
...@gmail.com
Cc: r-help@r-project.org
To: Frank E Harrell Jr f.harr...@vanderbilt.edu
Cc: Cody Hamilton cody.sh...@yahoo.com
Sent: 2/18/2010 4:29:27 AM
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
On 2/18/10, Frank E Harrell Jr f.harr...@vanderbilt.edu wrote:
How amazing that SAS is still used to produce
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:12 PM, John Sorkin
jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu wrote:
It is easy to devolve into visceral response mode, lose objectivity and slip
into intolerance. R, S, S-Plus, SAS, PASW (nee SPSS), STATA, are all tools.
Each has strengths and weaknesses. No one is inherently
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Behalf Of Peter Dalgaard
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 5:55 PM
To: Frank E Harrell Jr
Cc: r-help@r-project.org; Cody Hamilton
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
Frank E Harrell Jr wrote:
Cody,
How amazing that SAS is still used to produce
-boun...@r-project.org] On
Behalf Of Peter Dalgaard
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 5:55 PM
To: Frank E Harrell Jr
Cc: r-help@r-project.org; Cody Hamilton
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
Frank E Harrell Jr wrote:
Cody,
How amazing that SAS is still used to produce reports
...@biostat.ku.dk
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
I really like both of your responses. To add to Peter's thoughts, I've
found that more than half of SAS programmers can learn modern
programming languages given a push. And if pharmaceutical companies
ever knew the true cost of SAS
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From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On
Behalf Of Frank E Harrell Jr
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:01 AM
To: bill.venab...@csiro.au
Cc: r-help@r-project.org; p.dalga...@biostat.ku.dk
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
I really like both
Pure Food and Drug Act: 1906
FDA: 1930s
founding of SAS: early 1970s
(from the history websites of SAS and FDA)
What did pharmaceutical companies use for data analysis before there was
SAS? And was there much angst over the change to SAS from whatever was
in use before?
Or was there not
-project.org] On
Behalf Of Christopher W. Ryan
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:09 AM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Cc: p.dalga...@biostat.ku.dk
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
Pure Food and Drug Act: 1906
FDA: 1930s
founding of SAS: early 1970s
(from the history websites of SAS and FDA
On 19/02/2010, at 1:12 AM, John Sorkin wrote:
It is easy to devolve into visceral response mode, lose objectivity and slip
into intolerance. R, S, S-Plus, SAS, PASW (nee SPSS), STATA, are all tools.
Each has strengths and weaknesses. No one is inherently better, or worse than
the other.
: p.dalga...@biostat.ku.dk
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
Pure Food and Drug Act: 1906
FDA: 1930s
founding of SAS: early 1970s
(from the history websites of SAS and FDA)
What did pharmaceutical companies use for data analysis before there was
SAS? And was there much angst
Christopher W. Ryan wrote:
Pure Food and Drug Act: 1906
FDA: 1930s
founding of SAS: early 1970s
(from the history websites of SAS and FDA)
What did pharmaceutical companies use for data analysis before there was
SAS? And was there much angst over the change to SAS from whatever was
in use
...@ccbr.umn.edu wrote:
From: Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
To: Frank E Harrell Jr f.harr...@vanderbilt.edu
Cc: Cody Hamilton cody.sh...@yahoo.com, r-help@r-project.org
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 9:05 PM
Frank E Harrell Jr wrote:
Cody,
How
I am old enough. Memory isn't always reliable but Doug Bates recounting
is what I remember and a quick search has BMDP developed in 1961 and SAS
in 1966. To my surprise, the search produced a site that offered BMDP
for sale.
On 2/18/2010 11:15 AM, Peter Dalgaard wrote:
Christopher W. Ryan
[mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Laake
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:28 AM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
I am old enough. Memory isn't always reliable but Doug Bates recounting
is what I remember and a quick search has BMDP
(Corrections/additional information welcome!)
My recollection is that the BMD programs (which, in a later version,
became BMDP) predated SAS and were specifically for BioMeDical
analysis.
How could I forget those! Yes, my old (as in 1980-1985) boss at the
University hospital even had the
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From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On
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Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:44 PM
To: Douglas Bates
Cc: r-help@r-project.org; Bert Gunter
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
(Corrections
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
(Corrections/additional information welcome!)
My recollection is that the BMD programs (which, in a later version,
became BMDP) predated SAS and were specifically for BioMeDical
analysis.
How could I forget those! Yes, my old (as in 1980-1985
-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On
Behalf Of Peter Dalgaard
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:44 PM
To: Douglas Bates
Cc: r-help@r-project.org; Bert Gunter
Subject: Re: [R] Use of R in clinical trials
(Corrections/additional information welcome!)
My recollection is that the BMD
On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Christopher W. Ryan wrote:
Anyone have any recollection of Prophet software, from the National (US)
Center for Research Resources?
--Chris
A quick Google search comes up with a very dated site at Northwestern:
] Use of R in clinical trials
Pure Food and Drug Act: 1906
FDA: 1930s
founding of SAS: early 1970s
(from the history websites of SAS and FDA)
What did pharmaceutical companies use for data analysis before there was
SAS? And was there much angst over the change to SAS from whatever was
in use before
Dear all,
There have been a variety of discussions on the R list regarding the use of R
in clinical trials. The following post from the STATA list provides an
interesting opinion regarding why SAS remains so popular in this arena:
http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2008-01/msg00098.html
trials for the pharmaceutical industry.
Frank
Cody Hamilton wrote:
Dear all,
There have been a variety of discussions on the R list regarding the use of R
in clinical trials. The following post from the STATA list provides an
interesting opinion regarding why SAS remains so popular
for
the pharmaceutical industry.
Frank
Cody Hamilton wrote:
Dear all,
There have been a variety of discussions on the R list regarding the use
of R in clinical trials. The following post from the STATA list provides an
interesting opinion regarding why SAS remains so popular
Frank E Harrell Jr wrote:
Cody,
How amazing that SAS is still used to produce reports that reviewers
hate and that requires tedious low-level programming. R + LaTeX has
it all over that approach IMHO. We have used that combination very
successfully for several data and safety monitoring
Erik Iverson wrote:
Frank E Harrell Jr wrote:
Cody,
How amazing that SAS is still used to produce reports that reviewers
hate and that requires tedious low-level programming. R + LaTeX has
it all over that approach IMHO. We have used that combination very
successfully for several data and
have the required skill
set running around in circles.
-pd
Cody Hamilton wrote:
Dear all,
There have been a variety of discussions on the R list regarding the
use of R in clinical trials. The following post from the STATA list
provides an interesting opinion regarding why SAS remains so
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