Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-26 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 26/01/2016 6:30 AM, S Ellison wrote: Yet, the trend I've seen is one of increasing **R-not-help**, in that there are many posts, often by new R users who get replies that not infrequently range from just mildly off-putting to actively hostile: Slightly surprised that in a debate postulated

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-26 Thread S Ellison
> Yet, the trend I've seen is one of increasing **R-not-help**, in that there > are > many posts, often by new R users who get replies that not infrequently range > from just mildly off-putting to actively hostile: Slightly surprised that in a debate postulated on increasing 'meanness', no-one

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Hasan Diwan
There exists a fine line between being unintentionally rude, but helpful and purposely putting someone down. -- H On 25 January 2016 at 12:07, Duncan Murdoch wrote: > On 25/01/2016 2:45 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> I disagree, and would argue that fails to take a

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 25/01/2016 2:45 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: I disagree, and would argue that fails to take a systemic view of this kind of behaviour. If individual commentators are acerbic and are only privately reprimanded, from the perspective of everyone else it looks like the acerbic reply was A-OK. Someone

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Fowler, Mark
...@nancy.inra.fr; r-help@r-project.org; frien...@yorku.ca Subject: Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help? When we read acerbic replies we should remind the poster to reply in a more moderate tone. On the other hand noting that the list is not intended to be a source of answers to home work

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Oliver Keyes
-- > From: R-help [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Michael > Friendly > Sent: January 24, 2016 5:43 PM > To: Jean-Luc Dupouey; r-help@r-project.org > Subject: Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help? > > > On 1/23/2016 7:28 AM, Jean-Luc Dupouey wrote

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Fowler, Mark
To: Jean-Luc Dupouey; r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help? On 1/23/2016 7:28 AM, Jean-Luc Dupouey wrote: > Dear members, > > Not a technical question: But one worth raising... > > The number of threads in this mailing list, followin

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Ted Harding
st. > > -Original Message- > From: R-help [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Michael > Friendly > Sent: January 24, 2016 5:43 PM > To: Jean-Luc Dupouey; r-help@r-project.org > Subject: Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help? > > > O

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Duncan Murdoch
ce to new >> users, and not just the ones invoking the negative feedback, that a >> particular respondent may not represent the perspective of the list. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: R-help [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Michael >>

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread John Sorkin
ay not represent the perspective of the list. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: R-help [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Michael >> Friendly >> Sent: January 24, 2016 5:43 PM >> To: Jean-Luc Dupouey; r-help@r-project.org >> Subject

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread jwd
On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 12:33:12 -0800 Hasan Diwan wrote: > There exists a fine line between being unintentionally rude, but > helpful and purposely putting someone down. -- H The line is really not "fine" at all since it lies in that word "purposely." Also, you've

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Hasan Diwan
On 25 January 2016 at 13:13, Duncan Murdoch wrote: > On 25/01/2016 3:33 PM, Hasan Diwan wrote: > >> There exists a fine line between being unintentionally rude, but helpful >> and purposely putting someone down. -- H >> > > I'm afraid I don't think your point is

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Oliver Keyes
Sorry, poor phrasing on my part; on the occasions where someone is rude, all I see is... I agree the public cautioning should be done by moderators, yes. On 25 January 2016 at 16:13, Duncan Murdoch wrote: > On 25/01/2016 3:33 PM, Hasan Diwan wrote: >> >> There exists a

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 25/01/2016 3:33 PM, Hasan Diwan wrote: There exists a fine line between being unintentionally rude, but helpful and purposely putting someone down. -- H I'm afraid I don't think your point is relevant. I didn't claim all the people who were rude did it unintentionally. However, I don't

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread jwd
On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:06:35 -0500 Oliver Keyes wrote: > +1. And frankly I would like to suggest that there is another obvious > solution here; pairing a set of guidelines around expected user > behaviour with removing people from the mailing list, or moderating > them, if

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Peter Alspach
of the 'moderators') -Original Message- From: R-help [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Keyes Sent: Tuesday, 26 January 2016 10:23 a.m. To: Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.dun...@gmail.com> Cc: r-help <r-help@r-project.org> Subject: Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread John Sorkin
ject.org> Subject: Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help? Sorry, poor phrasing on my part; on the occasions where someone is rude, all I see is... I agree the public cautioning should be done by moderators, yes. On 25 January 2016 at 16:13, Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.dun...@gm

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Oliver Keyes
gt;> to foster contention, but simply to provide some tangible reassurance >> >> to new >> >> users, and not just the ones invoking the negative feedback, that a >> >> particular respondent may not represent the perspective of the list. >> >> >> &g

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-25 Thread Kevin E. Thorpe
essage- From: R-help [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Michael Friendly Sent: January 24, 2016 5:43 PM To: Jean-Luc Dupouey; r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help? On 1/23/2016 7:28 AM, Jean-Luc Dupouey wrote: Dear members, Not a tec

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-24 Thread Robert Sherry
I think this mailing list is wonderful and it has helped me a lot. In fact, I am not sure I would be using R today if it was not for this list. Bob On 1/24/2016 4:42 PM, Michael Friendly wrote: On 1/23/2016 7:28 AM, Jean-Luc Dupouey wrote: Dear members, Not a technical question: But one

Re: [R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

2016-01-24 Thread Michael Friendly
On 1/23/2016 7:28 AM, Jean-Luc Dupouey wrote: Dear members, Not a technical question: But one worth raising... The number of threads in this mailing list, following a long period of increase, has been regularly and strongly decreasing since 2010, passing from more than 40K threads to less