Re: [R] R development master class: NYC, Dec 12-13
Last time, I was told that I couldn't list my R package and associated papers as a research activity with substantial impact because it was outside my official scope of work. (Even though I wrote it so I could *do* my work.) That seems wrong. My impression is that method papers were frequent citation classics http://garfield.library.upenn.edu/classics.html. Why should a software method paper be treated worse than a (e.g.) chemical method paper? -s On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 15:58, Sarah Goslee sarah.gos...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Steve Lianoglou mailinglist.honey...@gmail.com wrote: Some of the money I earn from these courses goes to pay for my summer salary and supports student research. It also gives me confidence that if I don't get tenure because I've been writing R packages instead of papers, I can keep doing the work I love. If that actually happens, that would be an amazing/colossal (not in a good way) testament to how well the rating system works in academia. I'm not in academia, but government research. I do go through a review very similar to the tenure process. Last time, I was told that I couldn't list my R package and associated papers as a research activity with substantial impact because it was outside my official scope of work. (Even though I wrote it so I could *do* my work.) I have no trouble seeing academic administrators do the same thing. Sarah -- Sarah Goslee http://www.functionaldiversity.org __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] R development master class: NYC, Dec 12-13
Hmm... you know I'd love to run a study on how software and other information displays affect the speed, accuracy and reliability with which people make insights about data. Tom On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Stavros Macrakis macra...@alum.mit.eduwrote: Last time, I was told that I couldn't list my R package and associated papers as a research activity with substantial impact because it was outside my official scope of work. (Even though I wrote it so I could *do* my work.) That seems wrong. My impression is that method papers were frequent citation classics http://garfield.library.upenn.edu/classics.html. Why should a software method paper be treated worse than a (e.g.) chemical method paper? -s On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 15:58, Sarah Goslee sarah.gos...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Steve Lianoglou mailinglist.honey...@gmail.com wrote: Some of the money I earn from these courses goes to pay for my summer salary and supports student research. It also gives me confidence that if I don't get tenure because I've been writing R packages instead of papers, I can keep doing the work I love. If that actually happens, that would be an amazing/colossal (not in a good way) testament to how well the rating system works in academia. I'm not in academia, but government research. I do go through a review very similar to the tenure process. Last time, I was told that I couldn't list my R package and associated papers as a research activity with substantial impact because it was outside my official scope of work. (Even though I wrote it so I could *do* my work.) I have no trouble seeing academic administrators do the same thing. Sarah -- Sarah Goslee http://www.functionaldiversity.org __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] R development master class: NYC, Dec 12-13
Hi all, I hope you don't mind the slightly off topic email, but I'm going to be teaching an R development master class in New York City on Dec 12-13. The basic idea of the class is to help you write better code, focused on the mantra of do not repeat yourself. In day one you will learn powerful new tools of abstraction, allowing you to solve a wider range of problems with fewer lines of code. Day two will teach you how to make packages, the fundamental unit of code distribution in R, allowing others to save time by allowing them to use your code. To get the most out of this course, you should have some experience programming in R already: you should be familiar with writing functions, and the basic data structures of R: vectors, matrices, arrays, lists and data frames. You will find the course particularly useful if you're an experienced R user looking to take the next step, or if you're moving to R from other programming languages and you want to quickly get up to speed with R's unique features. A couple session outline is available at http://www.eventbrite.com/event/2492641558 Both days will incorporate a mix of lectures and hands-on learning. Expect to learn about a topic and then immediately put it into practice with a small example. Plenty of help will be available if you get stuck. You'll receive a printed copy of all slides, as well as electronic access to the slides, code and data. The material covered in the course is currently being turned into a book. You can access the current draft at https://github.com/hadley/devtools/wiki/. Limited discounts for students (66% off) and academics (33% off) are available - please contact me for details. Find out more and sign up at http://www.eventbrite.com/event/2492641558 Regards, Hadley -- Assistant Professor / Dobelman Family Junior Chair Department of Statistics / Rice University http://had.co.nz/ __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] R development master class: NYC, Dec 12-13
What, no discount codes for us?! No seriously, as much as I'm for free enterprise, it feels awkward to see you promote an (expensive!) course in a list where people offer not only their knowledge, but also the tools you use, for free. I ignore whether this goes against posting rules, but even if it doesn't I wouldn't want this awesome resource to become a marketing platform. On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:34:35 -0600 Hadley Wickham had...@rice.edu wrote: Hi all, I hope you don't mind the slightly off topic email, but I'm going to be teaching an R development master class in New York City on Dec 12-13. The basic idea of the class is to help you write better code, focused on the mantra of do not repeat yourself. In day one you will learn powerful new tools of abstraction, allowing you to solve a wider range of problems with fewer lines of code. Day two will teach you how to make packages, the fundamental unit of code distribution in R, allowing others to save time by allowing them to use your code. To get the most out of this course, you should have some experience programming in R already: you should be familiar with writing functions, and the basic data structures of R: vectors, matrices, arrays, lists and data frames. You will find the course particularly useful if you're an experienced R user looking to take the next step, or if you're moving to R from other programming languages and you want to quickly get up to speed with R's unique features. A couple session outline is available at http://www.eventbrite.com/event/2492641558 Both days will incorporate a mix of lectures and hands-on learning. Expect to learn about a topic and then immediately put it into practice with a small example. Plenty of help will be available if you get stuck. You'll receive a printed copy of all slides, as well as electronic access to the slides, code and data. The material covered in the course is currently being turned into a book. You can access the current draft at https://github.com/hadley/devtools/wiki/. Limited discounts for students (66% off) and academics (33% off) are available - please contact me for details. Find out more and sign up at http://www.eventbrite.com/event/2492641558 Regards, Hadley -- Assistant Professor / Dobelman Family Junior Chair Department of Statistics / Rice University http://had.co.nz/ __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] R development master class: NYC, Dec 12-13
No seriously, as much as I'm for free enterprise, it feels awkward to see you promote an (expensive!) course in a list where people offer not only their knowledge, but also the tools you use, for free. You might have a point if I taught this course instead of offering knowledge and code for free, but I do it as well. Over the years I have contributed thousands of answers on R-help and hundreds on stackoverflow. I've written dozens of open-source packages and look after several R related mailing lists. I make pre-prints of all my papers available for free, I release all my lecture notes under creative commons licenses and I'm a supporting benefactor of the R foundation (or at least I've submitted the paperwork, I'm not yet listed on the site). What more do you want?! Some of the money I earn from these courses goes to pay for my summer salary and supports student research. It also gives me confidence that if I don't get tenure because I've been writing R packages instead of papers, I can keep doing the work I love. Hadley -- Assistant Professor / Dobelman Family Junior Chair Department of Statistics / Rice University http://had.co.nz/ __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] R development master class: NYC, Dec 12-13
Ha! Point publicly acknowledged. Best, A. On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:41:36 -0600 Hadley Wickham had...@rice.edu wrote: No seriously, as much as I'm for free enterprise, it feels awkward to see you promote an (expensive!) course in a list where people offer not only their knowledge, but also the tools you use, for free. You might have a point if I taught this course instead of offering knowledge and code for free, but I do it as well. Over the years I have contributed thousands of answers on R-help and hundreds on stackoverflow. I've written dozens of open-source packages and look after several R related mailing lists. I make pre-prints of all my papers available for free, I release all my lecture notes under creative commons licenses and I'm a supporting benefactor of the R foundation (or at least I've submitted the paperwork, I'm not yet listed on the site). What more do you want?! Some of the money I earn from these courses goes to pay for my summer salary and supports student research. It also gives me confidence that if I don't get tenure because I've been writing R packages instead of papers, I can keep doing the work I love. Hadley -- Assistant Professor / Dobelman Family Junior Chair Department of Statistics / Rice University http://had.co.nz/ __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] R development master class: NYC, Dec 12-13
Though I can't speak for Alex, I suspect this was a case of him either (1) not realizing you were actually the poster of the original email, or (2) he is relatively new to the woRld and hasn't yet connecting your name to your (enumerable) contributions. Also: Some of the money I earn from these courses goes to pay for my summer salary and supports student research. It also gives me confidence that if I don't get tenure because I've been writing R packages instead of papers, I can keep doing the work I love. If that actually happens, that would be an amazing/colossal (not in a good way) testament to how well the rating system works in academia. -steve -- Steve Lianoglou Graduate Student: Computational Systems Biology | Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center | Weill Medical College of Cornell University Contact Info: http://cbio.mskcc.org/~lianos/contact __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] R development master class: NYC, Dec 12-13
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Steve Lianoglou mailinglist.honey...@gmail.com wrote: Some of the money I earn from these courses goes to pay for my summer salary and supports student research. It also gives me confidence that if I don't get tenure because I've been writing R packages instead of papers, I can keep doing the work I love. If that actually happens, that would be an amazing/colossal (not in a good way) testament to how well the rating system works in academia. I'm not in academia, but government research. I do go through a review very similar to the tenure process. Last time, I was told that I couldn't list my R package and associated papers as a research activity with substantial impact because it was outside my official scope of work. (Even though I wrote it so I could *do* my work.) I have no trouble seeing academic administrators do the same thing. Sarah -- Sarah Goslee http://www.functionaldiversity.org __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] R development master class: NYC, Dec 12-13
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Steve Lianoglou mailinglist.honey...@gmail.com wrote: Some of the money I earn from these courses goes to pay for my summer salary and supports student research. It also gives me confidence that if I don't get tenure because I've been writing R packages instead of papers, I can keep doing the work I love. If that actually happens, that would be an amazing/colossal (not in a good way) testament to how well the rating system works in academia. I think there's a broader issue here, that many people (Hadley included, but many many others) who do open source work go seriously underappreciated and underrespected. This is not just in academia. You do not have to read too many emails on R-help or R-devel to see someone complaining about something that is not working or is not working the way it should. Suggestions for improvement are always great, but it seems to me the tone is often very negative considering the amount of time and effort very gifted people put into it and have gotten A) little or no payment B) little recognition from their respective institutions. Makes me wish I was more than a graduate student and had more to give. Josh -- Joshua Wiley Ph.D. Student, Health Psychology Programmer Analyst II, ATS Statistical Consulting Group University of California, Los Angeles https://joshuawiley.com/ __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] R development master class: NYC, Dec 12-13
On 11/13/2011 12:58 PM, Sarah Goslee wrote:
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Steve Lianoglou
mailinglist.honey...@gmail.com wrote:
Some of the money I earn from these courses goes to pay for my summer
salary and supports student research. It also gives me confidence that
if I don't get tenure because I've been writing R packages instead of
papers, I can keep doing the work I love.
If that actually happens, that would be an amazing/colossal (not in a
good way) testament to how well the rating system works in academia.
I'm not in academia, but government research. I do go through a review
very similar to the tenure process. Last time, I was told that I couldn't list
my R package and associated papers as a research activity with substantial
impact because it was outside my official scope of work. (Even though I
wrote it so I could *do* my work.) I have no trouble seeing academic
administrators do the same thing.
What can be done to fight that?
Do you publish papers in refereed academic journals, like in
academia?
The ultimate evaluation of the value of publications is the
number of citations to the work. You should be able to go to Science
Citation Index and get reports of the citations to papers you and your
peers have written. With R, I know of two ways to access references.
The simplest is to use the sos package, and then findFn for your name.
Example:
hw. - findFn('{hadley wickham}', 999)
found 517 matches; retrieving 26 pages
2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
summary(hw.)
Call:
findFn(string = {hadley wickham}, maxPages = 999)
Total number of matches: 517
Downloaded 506 links in 24 packages.
Packages with at least 3 matches using pattern
'{hadley%20wickham}'
Package Count MaxScore TotalScore Date
1 ggplot2 2551255 2011-11-04
2 rggobi881 88 2011-04-20
3 reshape541 54 2011-10-07
4 DescribeDisplay233 25 2010-03-24
5helpr201 20 2010-11-05
6 plyr201 20 2011-11-04
7 tourrGui101 10 2011-02-05
8 lvplot 61 6 2010-03-24
9 GGally 42 5 2011-11-04
10 Rd2roxygen 41 4 2011-09-15
11latticeExtra 32 4 2011-11-04
12 hints 31 3 2010-03-24
13 tourr 31 3 2011-09-15
The first few rows are Hadley's packages. The later ones are
other packages that cite him.
Secondly, the information on CRAN for each of Hadley's packages
lists reverse dependencies.
When I look at Science Citation Index for all the papers I've
published, I've been disappointed. When I look at what I've done with
R, it seems that more people have gotten more value from that work than
from the papers I've written. One of the reasons is that papers and
books with companion software is much easier to read and understand,
because walking through R code line by line with examples can answer
many questions that are not easily answered from the printed page alone.
hope this helps.
spencer
p.s. It will be a sad commentary on Rice and the academic tenure system
in the US if Hadley is denied tenure. He has made a major contribution
to the R community and through that to all of humanity through all the
people around the world who use R to help them better understand and
manage their own social, political, and physical environments.
Sarah
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Re: [R] R development master class: NYC, Dec 12-13
On Nov 13, 2011, at 20:53 , Alex Ruiz Euler wrote: Ha! Point publicly acknowledged. Best, A. At any rate, R-help has always allowed R-related course announcements, commercial or not. The position has been that as long as it is of interest for R users and not overly intrusive, it is accepted. (Posters need to beware the potential negative publicity from perceived spamming, though.) R developers have been enrolled as teachers for commercial courses (as well as non-commercial or semi-commercial ones) and of course been paid for their work. I don't see a particular problem with someone cutting out the middle man. Peter D. On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:41:36 -0600 Hadley Wickham had...@rice.edu wrote: No seriously, as much as I'm for free enterprise, it feels awkward to see you promote an (expensive!) course in a list where people offer not only their knowledge, but also the tools you use, for free. You might have a point if I taught this course instead of offering knowledge and code for free, but I do it as well. -- Peter Dalgaard, Professor, Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark Phone: (+45)38153501 Email: pd@cbs.dk Priv: pda...@gmail.com __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
