Re: [R-sig-phylo] evolutionary rate for species with low phylogenetic signal

2020-09-23 Thread Karla Shikev
Thanks, Liam! That was really helpful. But what would be an alternative to estimate evolutionary rates in those cases? Simply the sigsq estimate under a white noise model? (which I assume is simply the variance in the original data?) Karla On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:23 PM Liam J. Revell wrote:

Re: [R-sig-phylo] evolutionary rate for species with low phylogenetic signal

2020-09-23 Thread Liam J. Revell
Hi Karla. > I just wanted to make sure that the estimate of sigma^2 in a BM model > in fitContinuous is a meaningful measure of the rate of evolution of > the trait even if its phylogenetic signal is low. I would say that the answer to this question (if it were posed as one) is 'no.' Another

Re: [R-sig-phylo] evolutionary rate for species with low phylogenetic signal

2020-09-23 Thread Karla Shikev
Dear All, Thanks for your fantastic feedback. Just a bit more background: I'm interested both in the phylogenetic signal and the evolutionary rate. I just wanted to make sure that the estimate of sigma^2 in a BM model in fitContinuous is a meaningful measure of the rate of evolution of the trait

Re: [R-sig-phylo] evolutionary rate for species with low phylogenetic signal

2020-09-23 Thread Theodore Garland
Carla, I can also suggest looking at some of the papers on this, such as: Blomberg, S. P., T. Garland, Jr., and A. R. Ives. 2003. Testing for phylogenetic signal in comparative data: behavioral traits are more labile. Evolution 57:717–745. Ives, A. R., P. E. Midford, and T. Garland, Jr. 2007.

Re: [R-sig-phylo] evolutionary rate for species with low phylogenetic signal

2020-09-23 Thread Liam J. Revell
Dear Karla. What do you want to use fitContinuous to do? fitContinuous fits multiple models, some of which will result in low values of lambda in a test of phylogenetic signal. In fact, this is really the main point of fitContinuous: to compare alternative models for trait evolution. If you

[R-sig-phylo] evolutionary rate for species with low phylogenetic signal

2020-09-23 Thread Karla Shikev
Dear friends, I guess this is as much a philosophical question as it is methodological. I want to estimate the rate of evolution of a trait (e.g. using the fitContinuous function), but the trait has low phylogenetic signal (e.g. lambda close to 0). Does it make sense to use fitContinuous on a