Re: [R-sig-phylo] Why no branch lengths on consensus trees?

2012-11-22 Thread Emmanuel Paradis
Hi Scott, The reason for implementing only the consensus on the topology was after reading the appropriate chapter in Inferring Phylogenies. So I'm glad that Joe himself stepped in. I have added this reference in the help page (it was already cited in my book with respect to this issue). I

Re: [R-sig-phylo] Why no branch lengths on consensus trees?

2012-11-22 Thread Joe Felsenstein
Emmanuel Paradis wrote: If you are Bayesian, the trees sampled from an MCMC are here for estimation including of the branch lengths, so you use them to compute some sort of consensus topology as well as its branch lengths. So it makes sense that MrBayes can do a consensus tree with branch

Re: [R-sig-phylo] Why no branch lengths on consensus trees?

2012-11-21 Thread Daniel Barker
Dear Scott, What should branch lengths on a consensus tree represent? They cannot be expected substitutions per residue. This would imply no evolution at points where uncertain branching patterns have been reduced to a multi-furcation - which is not what the multi-furcation is meant to imply.

Re: [R-sig-phylo] Why no branch lengths on consensus trees?

2012-11-21 Thread Brian O'Meara
I have a function to create a consensus tree with branch lengths. You feed it a given topology (often a consensus topology, made with ape), then a list of trees, and tell it what you want the branch lengths to represent. It could be the proportion of input trees with that edge (good for

Re: [R-sig-phylo] Why no branch lengths on consensus trees?

2012-11-21 Thread Scott Chamberlain
Dear Brian, Awesome. Thanks for sharing the code Brian. I will give it a try. I see what you all mean now more precisely with the question of what does it really mean to have branch lengths on a consensus tree. Thanks, Scott On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Brian O'Meara bome...@utk.edu

Re: [R-sig-phylo] Why no branch lengths on consensus trees?

2012-11-21 Thread Scott Chamberlain
Dear Joe, Thanks for your feedback on this question. I will go read those pages you mentioned. Scott On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Joe Felsenstein j...@gs.washington.eduwrote: Daniel Barker wrote: What should branch lengths on a consensus tree represent? Scott Chamberlain had