Re: [RDA-L] Statement of International Cataloguing Principles

2008-06-10 Thread James Weinheimer
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Re: [RDA-L] Statement of International Cataloguing Principles

2008-06-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
James Weinheimer wrote: But when cross-references are included, an expert can very often predict a cross-reference that will lead to the heading, e.g. the authorized form of a body's name may not be subordinate to another body merely because of the way it was presented on the title page of the

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of International Cataloguing Principles

2008-06-10 Thread James Weinheimer
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:57 PM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Statement of International Cataloguing

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of International Cataloguing Principles

2008-06-10 Thread J. McRee Elrod
James said; I would only like to add that an authorized form or preferred form is, most of the time, completely arbitrarily chosen. I would say that most of the time it is based on the first three principles of the new international statement of principles, which could be paraphrased as commons

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of International Cataloguing Principles

2008-06-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Makes sense, I agree entirely with what James says too. Jonathan James Weinheimer wrote: -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:57 PM To:

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-10 Thread Ed Jones
My guess would be that the metadata Amazon received for this book was library metadata rather than publisher metadata (since the latter would have identified the publisher). I would NOT assume from this that Amazon thought S.N. was anything other than a publisher name. -Original Message-

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-10 Thread Mike Tribby
My guess would be that the metadata Amazon received for this book was library metadata rather than publisher metadata (since the latter would have identified the publisher). I would NOT assume from this that Amazon thought S.N. was anything other than a publisher name. Maybe, except that the

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-10 Thread Karen Coyle
The book in question is available *via* Amazon, but not from Amazon. In other words, this is one of those third-party books, and in that case Amazon obviously gets the data from the third party (a bookseller), not the publisher. The third-party data is often of very poor quality. It should be

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-10 Thread Stephen Hearn
The presence of s.n. in an Amazon record is a small, weak hook to hang anything on; but looking at people's use of other tools can be informative. The one that's on my mind lately is Wikipedia. Among the principles that Wikipedia has adopted are: Unique entry--there's one article on Capital

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Stephen Hearn wrote: If searchers are much happier sorting through multiple results than finding one, happier in an environment of competing claims than of one governed by some form of authority, offended by any attempt to redirect their search from their preferred term to the one used in a

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-10 Thread Stephen Hearn
I read several lists, and I may have gotten this one crossed with another; but I have seen it argued in the last few weeks and without counter that preferred headings and cross references are evidence of librarians' arrogance, and offensive to users who prefer their own terms. And of course,