[RDA-L] Using 344-347?

2013-04-25 Thread Bernadette Mary O'Reilly
Hello I need to prepare simple inhouse documentation for non-BK materials and am wondering whether or how we should use fields 344-347 for sound recordings, videos, CD-ROMs and suchlike, to cover the details which used to go in 300 $b. In the Toolkit the RDAMARC mapping still points to 300

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Hinchcliff, Marilou
Right! Thanks to all of you for your help with this, especially to Kevin Randall. Here is the rationale I have built—please let me know where the flaws are in the logic, because both of the conclusions contradict what I have been taught in every RDA training webinar I have taken! 1.

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Jack Wu
Not trying to harp on a ., but I do have some questions which hopefully Kevin or someone else can help resolve: When LC-PCC PS says that we should give no period at the end of 300 if there is no 490, or to give a period if there *is* a 490 Would this have anything to do with the fact that 490

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Jack Wu
Perhaps I should qualify my questions with: cataloging in OCLC Connexion and in bib. records of most paragraph breaks. Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu Jack Wu j...@franciscan.edu 4/25/2013 9:24 AM Not trying to harp on a ., but I do have some

Re: [RDA-L] Recording Names Containing a Titles of Nobility 9.2.2.14 and 9.2.2.15

2013-04-25 Thread Sean Chen
Arthur, Thanks so much. That is all helpful. My example is a judge who was a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary and was created a life peerage. I am weirded out that RDA doesn't actually define proper name. In Lord Collins of Mapesbury (Lawrence Collins, Baron Collins of Mapesbury). I think this

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Joan Wang
Cannot agree with John any more :) Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:34 AM, John Hostage host...@law.harvard.eduwrote: A few points: **· **It would make the most sense if all of us doing shared cataloging in OCLC or otherwise would

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Kevin M Randall
Actually, it seems to me that ISBD display has been on the way out for a long time now, and I really can't see it coming back. Of course, we've left that pretty much all to the whims of the developers of the commercial systems anyway, so it's anybody's guess as to what we'll see in the future.

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
You should allow the U.S. Metric Association to provide some assistance. Here’s a quick guide http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/common.html and a set of exercises for those who have trouble with this matter http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/correct.htm One no longer needs to wonder what to

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Wojciech Siemaszkiewicz
I still see double dots everywhere. [?] Wojciech Siemaszkiewicz On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Brenndorfer, Thomas tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca wrote: You should allow the U.S. Metric Association to provide some assistance.** ** ** ** Here’s a quick guide

Re: [RDA-L] Using 344-347?

2013-04-25 Thread Harden, Jean
At the moment, the University of North Texas Music Library is indeed using the 34x fields as relevant, but since they don't yet display in our public catalog, we are also putting the relevant information in 300 $b, which does display. Once the display issues are straightened out, we will stop

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Kevin M Randall
In the (hopefully soon, but for sure I'm not holding my breath!) future, we will likely—or at least should—be entering RDA elements into workforms with no punctuation at all, unless that punctuation is part of the element itself (e.g., the period in an abbreviation, the question mark in Who's

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I wholeheartedly agree with you Kevin. Ending the practice of including ISBD punctuation in recorded data will clear up a lot of this confusion in practice. I know it's something that has been discussed in the pcc, as well I'm sure by the bib-frame people. Still, in the end I question whether

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Joan Wang
All the time I feel that cataloging should be an easy job except classification and subject analysis. It should more like a data entry in an Excel sheet. All check/radio boxes or drop-down lists are there. But apparently I am wrong :) Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu,

[RDA-L] Quranic teaching

2013-04-25 Thread Gene Fieg
Just a question here. I just looked at the revised subject headings according to RDA. I noticed War--Religious aspects--Islam--Quranic teaching. Why isn't it simply War--Quranic teaching ? Are all topics -- [Scriptural teaching] going to be changed to: Topic--Religious

Re: [RDA-L] Consistent punctuation

2013-04-25 Thread J. McRee Elrod
John Hostage posted: We need to get away from adding punctuation just to make our records look “pretty.” Why? Looking ugly is a goal? Isn't looking pretty another way of saying easier to read and comprehend? Less vagary in punctuation seems good to me, including end punctuation for all

Re: [RDA-L] Using 344-347?

2013-04-25 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Bernadette O'Reilly asked: - whether other agencies expect to use 34X straight away or will continue to use 300 $b at least until LC-PCC and specialist bodies produce best practice guidelines SLC will continue to use 300 :$b, and will not code 34X, in part for consistency with legacy records (it

Re: [RDA-L] End punctuation

2013-04-25 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Marilou Hincecliff said: 2. Notes are a new paragraph. On cards and in most OPACs, *each* note is a new paragraph. 3. Our Voyager ILS (and OCLC) doesn’t know how to display any of the prescribed punctuation— ... Simpler just just end all 1XX-8XX with final punctuation, without

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Ben, I absolutely agree that different spelling and writing conventions should be accepted (and I think RDA allows for this in the alternative at 1.7). This is simply necessary if RDA is applied internationally. For example, spacing conventions sometimes differ between the American and the

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

2013-04-25 Thread Julie Moore
I followed this discussion on Autocat and now here. As long as we are making changes, why are we not doing that now? It seems to me that it would be a whole heck of a lot easier to just say Never end a field with a full stop. Let's face it ... the whole thing of when to add a period and when not

[RDA-L] Two questions

2013-04-25 Thread Michael Borries
Dear collective wisdom, I and another cataloger here at CUNY Central Office have two questions regarding creating personal name authority records using RDA: 1. The more theoretical question. In fields 372 and 374 (field of activity and occupation), the instructions in RDA give very generic

Re: [RDA-L] Two questions

2013-04-25 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Dear collective wisdom, I and another cataloger here at CUNY Central Office have two questions regarding creating personal name authority records using RDA: 1. The more theoretical question. In fields 372 and 374 (field of activity and occupation), the instructions in RDA give very generic

Re: [RDA-L] Quranic teaching

2013-04-25 Thread Tony Fang
Why isn't simply War--Qurʼanic teaching? Well, maybe the simple answer is this: The scope note for Qurʼanic teaching says USE subdivision Qurʼanic teaching under Islamic topics. War is not an Islamic topic while the structured free-floating subdivision Religious aspects--Islam is a Islamic topic