Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-18 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Thomas posted: 100 1# $a Cunningham, E. V., $d 1914-2003. 245 10 $a Sylvia / $c by Howard Fast 700 1# $a Fast, Howard, $d 1914-2003 In earlier practice, we would have [pseud.] after Fast in the statement of responsibility to explain why the SOR differs from the main entry, and a cross reference

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references - Jessica Fletcher and Donald Bain

2013-10-18 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
for the work. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library From: J. McRee Elrod [m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: October-18-13 3:03 AM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references Thomas posted

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references - Jessica Fletcher and Donald Bain

2013-10-18 Thread Daniel CannCasciato
Hi All, in such a situation, I'd probably chose But if the resources were split the following way, with some mentioning only Fletcher and others only mentioning Bain, then the problem is what to do with the extra Creator relationship if a 700 field is not used. Some resources

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references - Jessica Fletcher and Donald Bain

2013-10-18 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
/ Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Daniel CannCasciato [daniel.canncasci...@cwu.edu] Sent: October-18-13 2:45 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references - Jessica Fletcher and Donald Bain Hi All

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references - Jessica Fletcher and Donald Bain

2013-10-18 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Thomas posted: 100 1_ $a Fletcher, Jessica 245 10 $a Trouble at high tide / $c by Jessica Fletcher Donald Bain. 700 1_ $a Bain, Donald, $d 1935- While RDA does not require it, shouldn't we have $c(Fictitious character) added to Fletcher? The authority says Use for Fletcher, Jessica

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references - Jessica Fletcher and Donald Bain

2013-10-18 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Carrying that forward with RDA in MARC is a problem because one can't make Person-to-Work relationships outside of a bibliographic record. Authority records make Person-to-Person relationships and Work-to-Work relationships (with some flexibility, such as person-to-corporate body, for example

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-17 Thread John Hostage
That's a source of the misunderstanding right there. RDA doesn't talk about bibliographic records or authority records, nor does it talk about MARC fields. It doesn't use the term alternate access point, but it does use variant access point (defined in the glossary as An alternative to the

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-17 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: October-17-13 12:36 AM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: Access points vs. cross references Thomas posted: Implementing these access points in a card catalog produces

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-17 Thread Adam Schiff
is Cunningham Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries -Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:35 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references Thomas posted: Implementing

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-17 Thread Kevin M Randall
Mac Elrod wrote: Thomas posted: Implementing these access points in a card catalog produces Fast, Howard, 1914-2003. Sylvia see Cunningham, E.V., 1914-2003. Sylvia In a card catalogue, Fast is a cross reference, not an alternate access point. Even better in a OPAC would be

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-17 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Thomas said: All cross-references are access points That's a silly and confusing ambiguity, but unfortunately not the only one in RDA. A cross reference leads one *to* an access point (or entry as we have traditionally called it). This understanding is just a carryforward from what was

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-17 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
-Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: October-17-13 2:55 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references Thomas said: All cross-references are access points That's a silly

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-17 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Kevin said: The point that seems to be missed here is that Fast, Howard, 1914-2003 is not a variant access point for the entity identified as Cunningham, E. V., 1914-2003. It is an authorized access point for a different entity ... Both forms of name are valid authorized access points; as such,

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-17 Thread Kevin M Randall
Mac Elrod wrote: The point that seems to be missed here is that Fast, Howard, 1914-2003 is not a variant access point for the entity identified as Cunningham, E. V., 1914-2003. It is an authorized access point for a different entity ... Both forms of name are valid authorized access points;

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-17 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall [k...@northwestern.edu] Sent: October-17-13 6:10 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references Mac Elrod wrote

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

2013-10-16 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Thomas posted: Implementing these access points in a card catalog produces Fast, Howard, 1914-2003. Sylvia see Cunningham, E.V., 1914-2003. Sylvia In a card catalogue, Fast is a cross reference, not an alternate access point. Even better in a OPAC would be being taken directly from the