Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts--Relationship Designators

2013-09-29 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Deborah said: we will be well on our way to the goal of everyone sharing new terms globally. Because of bilingual Canada, the same terms will not be used even continentally, much less globally. I assume Mexico will have its own terms on this continent. Bibframe has the same unilingual

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-27 Thread M. E.
Tarango, Adolfo atara...@ucsd.edu wrote: Weighing in with trepidation to comment on the part of 2.8.1.3 addressing the appearance of publication data. Note, that 2.8.1.3 states a condition must be met, that when *bo**th* publication data of the reproducer and the original are found on the

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-27 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Tarango, Adolfo [atara...@ucsd.edu] Sent: September-27-13 11:13 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts Weighing in with trepidation to comment

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-27 Thread Tarango, Adolfo
-L] RDA local printouts Tarango, Adolfo atara...@ucsd.edumailto:atara...@ucsd.edu wrote: Weighing in with trepidation to comment on the part of 2.8.1.3 addressing the appearance of publication data. Note, that 2.8.1.3 states a condition must be met, that when both publication data

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-27 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Also getting into new territory for me, would the RDA Manuscript-related elements (RDA 3.9.2) apply for a single cataloged print-out of a published electronic resource? Production Method for Manuscript: printout Scratch that idea. Better to apply the basic RDA concept of choosing the right

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-27 Thread Adam L. Schiff
From: Brenndorfer, Thomas tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca Reply-To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts Also getting into new territory for me, would the RDA

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Deborah said: I agree with you, Michelle--I think we might be looking at Production = rather than Publication + Printing. I don't think you can put the = Publication details for the original in the record for the reproduction. The library is neither producing, publishing, nor reproducing the

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread Adam L. Schiff
Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca Reply-To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts Deborah said: I agree with you, Michelle--I think we might be looking at Production = rather

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts (fwd)

2013-09-26 Thread Adam L. Schiff
@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts I think in RDA you would supply: 264 _1 [Place of publication not identified] : $b [publisher not identified], $c [date of publication not identified] 264 _3 [Place of printing] : $b [place of printing], $c [date of printing

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts I agree with you, Michelle--I think we might be looking at Production rather than Publication + Printing. I don't think you can put the Publication details for the original in the record for the reproduction. So the question is: who is responsible

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Adam said: I think in RDA you would supply: 264 _1 [Place of publication not identified] : $b [publisher not identified], $c [date of publication not identified] 264 _3 [Place of printing] : $b [place of printing], $c [date of printing] But you DO know the place, publisher and date for the

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread Adam L. Schiff
-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts Adam said: I think in RDA you would supply: 264 _1 [Place of publication not identified] : $b [publisher not identified], $c [date of publication not identified] 264 _3 [Place of printing] : $b [place of printing], $c [date of printing

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts Mac, I was speculating about what one would do if adhering strictly to RDA. But I could be persuaded by Thomas Brenndorfer's argument that the publisher of the printout is the agency that printed it out. I would also be content with a decision to apply

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Thomas quoted: When a facsimile or reproduction has a publication statement or statements relating to the original manifestation as well as to the facsimile or reproduction, record the publication statement or statements relating to the facsimile or reproduction. Record any publication statement

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
be entered once in the 775 or 776. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library -Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: September-26-13 4:38 PM To: Brenndorfer, Thomas Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts Thomas

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread Deborah Fritz
-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts Would the scope of privately printed resources under Publication Statement in LC-PCC PS 2.8.1.1 not also cover local printouts of a published online resource? If an organization or individual prints out copies for local use

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread Deborah Fritz
Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:38 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts Thomas quoted: When a facsimile or reproduction has a publication statement or statements

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-25 Thread Cronquist, Michelle J
@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts My question is in regard to local print reproductions (reports run off a library printer) of a government document (public domain) PDF received (for example) in email by a bibliographer. We get a fair number of these and I need to figure

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-25 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Michelle Cronquist posted: The one thing that I would do differently in your record is to use 264 _0 instead of 264 _3; I don’t think you can just have printing information without production or publication information. Certainly the 264 3 for the local printer comes after the 264 1 for the

[RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-25 Thread FOGLER, PATRICIA A GS-11 USAF AETC AUL/LTSC
I really appreciate Lynn Mac's replies. I will probably use a 2nd 264 and cite our library as manufacturer. It doesn't display nicely but that's another issue. So in revision I am thinking for my record: 008 Form:r dtst:s dates: 2003, 264_1 [Carlisle Barracks, Pennsylvania] : ǂb Army

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-25 Thread Deborah Fritz
-Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Cronquist, Michelle J Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:37 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts Patricia

[RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-24 Thread FOGLER, PATRICIA A GS-11 USAF AETC AUL/LTSC
My question is in regard to local print reproductions (reports run off a library printer) of a government document (public domain) PDF received (for example) in email by a bibliographer. We get a fair number of these and I need to figure this out. In AACR2, we simply cataloged the original,

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-24 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Patricia Fogler said: In AACR2, we simply cataloged the original Sorry, no. That was a LCRI which contradicted AACR2. In RDA, given an 008 Ctry 264 coded for a specific library, this record would not be one I would think another library would feel comfortable editing for their own use.