Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-11 Thread Kelleher, Martin
To continue this line of dissention, I can't help but notice that that bastion of the fabled web 2.0, Wikipedia, also shows references using such terribly terribly outmoded terms such as et al. ed. etc.. I went to a cataloguing meeting recently where the removal of such terms was celebrated in

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-11 Thread Miksa, Shawne
Mr. Kelleher wrote: To continue this line of dissention, I can't help but notice that that bastion of the fabled web 2.0, Wikipedia, also shows references using such terribly terribly outmoded terms such as et al. ed. etc.. I went to a cataloguing meeting recently where the removal of such

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-10 Thread Ed Jones
- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:22 AM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all? Wise and witty Hal Cain of Australia

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-10 Thread Mike Tribby
My guess would be that the metadata Amazon received for this book was library metadata rather than publisher metadata (since the latter would have identified the publisher). I would NOT assume from this that Amazon thought S.N. was anything other than a publisher name. Maybe, except that the

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-10 Thread Karen Coyle
The book in question is available *via* Amazon, but not from Amazon. In other words, this is one of those third-party books, and in that case Amazon obviously gets the data from the third party (a bookseller), not the publisher. The third-party data is often of very poor quality. It should be

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-10 Thread Stephen Hearn
The presence of s.n. in an Amazon record is a small, weak hook to hang anything on; but looking at people's use of other tools can be informative. The one that's on my mind lately is Wikipedia. Among the principles that Wikipedia has adopted are: Unique entry--there's one article on Capital

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Stephen Hearn wrote: If searchers are much happier sorting through multiple results than finding one, happier in an environment of competing claims than of one governed by some form of authority, offended by any attempt to redirect their search from their preferred term to the one used in a

Re: [RDA-L] [s.n.] used by Amazon; not confusing after all?

2008-06-10 Thread Stephen Hearn
I read several lists, and I may have gotten this one crossed with another; but I have seen it argued in the last few weeks and without counter that preferred headings and cross references are evidence of librarians' arrogance, and offensive to users who prefer their own terms. And of course,