Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments

2008-12-09 Thread Flack, Irvin
This prompts me to make a general observation about RDA: I've found the best way I can understand it whenever I come across something puzzling like that is to remember Wittgenstein's quote: Philosophy leaves everything as it is. RDA, for the most part, leaves cataloguing as it is, but expresses it

Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments

2008-12-08 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
In our traditional metadata, be it coded in any flavor of MARC or other formats, we lack something that is of paramount importance for Google's success: a syndetic mechanism that would link bib records with other bib records in a way that software can make use of. (Karen and others have stated

Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments

2008-12-08 Thread Ed Jones
To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments In our traditional metadata, be it coded in any flavor of MARC or other formats, we lack something that is of paramount importance for Google's success: a syndetic mechanism that would link bib records with other bib

Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments

2008-12-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'm confused by the claim that the predominant use of a manifestation identifier would be for subject access. Oh wait, I see, you mean using a particular manifestation as a subject in 65x? The thing is, once we understand that access points serve as identifiers, we understand that we _need_ such

Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments

2008-12-06 Thread Karen Coyle
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: I've talked about this before too, and come to very similar conclusions as Jim. In my opinion, the new name for access point is really identifier. What we have been using access points as IS in fact identifiers. Although once we recognize this, we also see some of the

Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments

2008-12-05 Thread Prejsnar, Mark
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weinheimer Jim Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:30 AM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments I've reflected on this at some length, and have decided that my opinion of access points is not just nit-picking semantics. It's something

Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments

2008-12-05 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Prejsnar, Mark wrote:  This is a good and important point, and only needs one clarification:  the  concept and phrase “access point” actually arose BEFORE the card  catalog (pre-1890), when all catalogs were a series of printed books.  I  suspect that few people realize how extremely recent the

Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments

2008-12-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I've talked about this before too, and come to very similar conclusions as Jim. In my opinion, the new name for access point is really identifier. What we have been using access points as IS in fact identifiers. Although once we recognize this, we also see some of the problems with access points

Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments

2008-12-05 Thread Prejsnar, Mark
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:13 AM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments Prejsnar, Mark wrote: This is a good and important point, and only needs one clarification: the concept and phrase access point actually arose BEFORE the card catalog (pre

Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments

2008-12-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
USA From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weinheimer Jim Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:13 AM To: RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Access points. Was: RDA comments