Re: [RDA-L] Utlility of ISBD/MARC vs. URIs (Was: Systems ...)

2010-02-05 Thread Weinheimer Jim
Bernhard Eversberg wrote:
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J. McRee Elrod wrote:
 
  imposes structure where it isn't helpful (e.g., where it was based on
  obsolete card design).
 
  Every word of your post rang true, until I reached that last 
sentence.  Insofar as the old unit card structure is reflected in the 
choice and
  order of elements of the ISBD, it is *very* helpful.

Mac, I wasn't targeting ISBD here, and I'm as convinced as you are about
its usefulness and importance. (We only want to get rid of punctuation
at the end of subfields.)
Rather, I was getting at the innumerable rules that concern the
arrangement of entries and tracings and whether or not an added
entry was necessary, and how to control these things. Most of the
indicators that concerned card production are not helpful any more
but add to the confusion that governs opinions about MARC. Also,
stuff like the omission of leading articles in uniform titles, which
came into being *only* because that field lacks the indicator.

/snip

In addition, I think it's important to consider how it is best to focus our 
(most probably) ever decreasing resources in a truly shared, open environment. 
Let us just imagine for the moment, that we can get ONIX or DC copy for every 
single resource we catalog (that will be quite some time in the future if ever, 
but let's just imagine) and the cataloger updates the record. Efficiency will 
probably still dictate that there be copy catalogers who concentrate on the 
simple updates, and complex catalogers who will do more. How will it look if 
the copy catalogers report that for the week they have added filing indicators 
to 200 records and 245$b to 300 records? :-)

Joking aside, I think we have to get to the kernel of what our users need, plus 
I think we need to accept that once projects such as Google books comes online, 
fewer and fewer people will search our local catalogs separately. They will 
come to our catalogs (if at all) from Google Books, where they will find the 
full-text plus a mashup of our metadata mixed in with who knows what, to find 
whether a library near them has a physical copy of an item, although they will 
be able to read the book online. Only time can tell how long it will be before 
people don't care so much about the physical book. (As an aside, I just bought 
a Sony ebook reader, and although I am definitely a bookman, I absolutely love 
it! For the first time, I can actually enjoy reading a book I have taken from 
the web! I have shown it to people and most want one too)

I admit this is a terrifying scenario (for me, at least), but it is one that is 
both logical and easy to predict. Once it is accepted however, we can begin to 
consider exactly what catalogers can provide our patrons that the Googles and 
the Yahoos cannot. I think there is an awful lot we can do and we can prove 
that we are still necessary.

But I don't know how much of it will resemble what we have always done. Is 
browsing alphabetically by title *really* so important to people that we must 
devote resources to do it? Would those resources be better used in adding new 
materials? I don't know but I have my own opinions. I think the situation is 
becoming so important that today we must make a case why people need something 
so desperately, e.g. browsing alphabetized lists of book titles, that we must 
devote staff time to redoing records that are otherwise correct. No longer can 
we rely on simply continuing current practices. Of course, this goes for all of 
MARC and the cataloging rules, but one must start somewhere.

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Re: [RDA-L] Utlility of ISBD/MARC vs. URIs (Was: Systems ...)

2010-02-05 Thread Bernhard Eversberg

Weinheimer Jim schrieb:


... we can begin to consider exactly what catalogers can 

 provide our patrons that the Googles and the Yahoos cannot.

Broadly, it is probably the aspect of bringing together what
belongs together:
-- works by one author
-- versions of a work
-- parts of a multipart or collection or series
-- stuff on a subject
-- geographically related materials
-- ...
In a word, the relationship business.

GBS does try to do as much as it can by clever algorithmic
methods, but these have their limits here much more than
with keyword searching for specific items. Therefore, GBS depends
more on good metadata here, and needs to exploit all indications
of relationships it can find in there.
Don't know about the potential of ONIX in this arena. Does it
have an authority concept or any relationship linking between
publications?

B.Eversberg


Re: [RDA-L] Utlility of ISBD/MARC vs. URIs (Was: Systems ...)

2010-02-04 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Bernhard Eversberg said:

For everyday use, URIs are much too cumbersome.
 
Absolutely true!  Try a verbal tag for the difference between MARC 130
and 240 for example.  MARC's language neutral number tags were a
stroke of genius.

imposes structure where it isn't helpful (e.g., where it was based on
obsolete card design).

Every word of your post rang true, until I reached that last sentence.  
Insofar as the old unit card structure is reflected in the choice and
order of elements of the ISBD, it is *very* helpful.  This is a choice
and order of elements based on over a century of experiment and
history, now tried and tested by international success in helping
create universal bibliographic control (IFLA's UBC).  To quote Michael
Gorman, it is the most successful international library standard in
history.  It works equally well with books, realia, audio visual
materials, or electronic resources; and I suspect will work as well
with any new media which  appears,  We are reinventing the wheel, and
an octagonal one at that.  It's going t be a bumpy ride.


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