Re: [RDA-L] Identifying a person of religious vocation
Does the cookbook mention what order does you Siostra Maria belong to? Or name of place where she lives, works etc. That could help a bit. After reading the article I agree that she may not be the same person as Siostra Maria Goretti Nowak. Even though the two pictures look somewhat similar. If you have any text in Polish I could help as I can read it fairly well. Liba From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Stewart, Richard [rstew...@indiantrailslibrary.org] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:19 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Identifying a person of religious vocation Thank you all for a very enlightening discussion of all the permutations of this problem. I will incorporate your suggestions into what I hope will be a useful and accurate authority record. Richard, I had high hopes for Siostra Maria Goretti Nowak! Ultimately I don't feel justified in treating her as the same person--primarily because baking is nowhere mentioned in her activities in the article you kindly found, whereas my Siostra Maria has published several cookbooks and won a Baker of the Year award a few years ago (whether regional or national, my Polish doesn't reach far enough to tell me). Rich On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Moore, Richard richard.mo...@bl.ukmailto:richard.mo...@bl.uk wrote: Is it possible that she might be Siostra Maria Goretti Nowak? http://gazetacz.com.pl/artykul.php?idm=432id=9957 It’s hard to be certain, but this might be the same person as in this picture: http://martel-ksiazki.pl/image/cache/Ciasta_i_ciasteczka-500x500.jpg Regards Richard _ Richard Moore Authority Control Team Manager The British Library Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546806tel:%2B44%20%280%291937%20546806 E-mail: richard.mo...@bl.ukmailto:richard.mo...@bl.uk ** Experience the British Library online at www.bl.ukhttp://www.bl.uk/ The British Library’s latest Annual Report and Accounts : www.bl.uk/aboutus/annrep/index.htmlhttp://www.bl.uk/aboutus/annrep/index.html Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. Adopt a Book. www.bl.uk/adoptabookhttp://www.bl.uk/adoptabook The Library's St Pancras site is WiFi - enabled * The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the postmas...@bl.ukmailto:postmas...@bl.uk : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the British Library. The British Library does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. * Think before you print To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.camailto:lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L -- Richard A. Stewart Cataloging Supervisor Indian Trails Library District 355 Schoenbeck Road Wheeling, Illinois 60090-4499 USA Tel: 847-279-2214 Fax: 847-459-4760 rstew...@indiantrailslibrary.orgmailto:rstew...@indiantrailslibrary.org http://www.indiantrailslibrary.org/ To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L
Re: [RDA-L] Identifying a person of religious vocation
Is it possible that she might be Siostra Maria Goretti Nowak? http://gazetacz.com.pl/artykul.php?idm=432id=9957 It's hard to be certain, but this might be the same person as in this picture: http://martel-ksiazki.pl/image/cache/Ciasta_i_ciasteczka-500x500.jpg Regards Richard _ Richard Moore Authority Control Team Manager The British Library Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546806 E-mail: richard.mo...@bl.uk ** Experience the British Library online at http://www.bl.uk/ The British Library’s latest Annual Report and Accounts : http://www.bl.uk/aboutus/annrep/index.html Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. Adopt a Book. http://www.bl.uk/adoptabook The Library's St Pancras site is WiFi - enabled * The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the mailto:postmas...@bl.uk : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the British Library. The British Library does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. * Think before you print To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L
Re: [RDA-L] Identifying a person of religious vocation
Hi Richard, I don't know how they do it in other countries, but here in the U.S., the person takes on a saint's name as their FIRST name. Whether the entire name is taken is dependent on how well known the saint is or if their order has others in the same monastery or priory who have taken the names of other saints with the same first name. You can't very well call for Sr. Maria or Fr. John when there are other Sr. Marias or Fr. Johns in the same house and have them know which one you mean. They do, however, retain their own last name, so if Siostry Marii just happens to have her own last name the same as St. Maria Goretti, then I'd say yes, you could do it the way you plan, but my guess is that her name is Siostry Marii Goretti (LAST NAME). At least that's how the Dominicans do it. Hope that makes sense, Jennifer Jennifer Gullickson, MLIS Assistant Librarian Dominican Theological Library Dominican House of Studies 487 Michigan Ave NE Washington, DC 20017 (202) 495-3822 jgullick...@dhs.edumailto:jgullick...@dhs.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Stewart, Richard Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:19 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Identifying a person of religious vocation Hello all, I'd appreciate any thoughts about whether I'm on the right track in dealing with this name. I'm doing original cataloging of Ciasta i ciasteczka Siostry Marii (Sister Maria's cakes and cookies). The author's name appears as Siostry Marii (genitive case) on the title page and Siostra Maria Goretti on the verso of the t.p. So following 9.2.2.2 and 2.2.2, Siostra Maria would be the preferred form. I can find no biographical information on Siostra Maria, other than that she apparently runs an orphanage and bakery connected with a basilica in Poland. Luckily and to my surprise, the form I have chosen for the authorized access point, 100 0_ $a Maria, $c Siostra, does not conflict with any authorized or variant access points in the NAF. A wrinkle in constructing the variant access point (400 1_ $a Goretti, Maria, $c Siostra) is that Goretti may not be this individual's surname; rather I suspect that Maria Goretti may be her name in religion honoring Saint Maria Goretti. Am I right in supposing that I don't need to worry about this distinction in setting up the access point? Thanks in advance to the Collective Wisdom for any confirmation or correction. -- Richard A. Stewart Cataloging Supervisor Indian Trails Library District 355 Schoenbeck Road Wheeling, Illinois 60090-4499 USA Tel: 847-279-2214 Fax: 847-459-4760 rstew...@indiantrailslibrary.orgmailto:rstew...@indiantrailslibrary.org http://www.indiantrailslibrary.org/ To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.camailto:lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. __ To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L
Re: [RDA-L] Identifying a person of religious vocation
Richard and Charles You could have Goretti, Maria, $c Siostra as an authorised access point (and therefore also as a variant access point, as here), following the optional addition of an Other term of rank, honour or office, at 9.19.1.6. Regards Richard _ Richard Moore Authority Control Team Manager The British Library Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546806 E-mail: richard.mo...@bl.uk From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Charles Croissant Sent: 17 December 2013 20:03 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Identifying a person of religious vocation Richard, since you are dealing with a person in religion who may wind up being entered under her given name (Maria), note RDA instructions 9.4.1.8 (Other persons of religious vocation) and 9.2.2.18 (General Guidelines on Recording Names Containing Neither a Surname nor a Title of Nobility). The effect of these instructions is that Siostra is only recorded as part of the preferred name when the first element of the preferred name is a given name (in this case, Maria). If you choose Maria as the name by which Siostra Maria is commonly identified, then you can formulate her preferred name as 100 0_ $a Maria, $c Siostra i.e., you record Siostra as an integral part of her name. If on the other hand you decide that her name is Maria Goretti, i.e. you choose a name that contains a surname, there is no provision for recording Siostra as an integral part of the name, and your access point would be 100 1_ $a Goretti, Maria Since she is identified as Siostra Maria on your title page, I think you would be justified in establishing her as 100 0_ $a Maria, $c Siostra 400 1_ $a Goretti, Maria right now, this 400 doesn't conflict with any 100, so that would be OK -- your 400 only matches another 400, which is allowed. If you feel that Maria Goretti is this person's name in religion, i.e. that Goretti is not her surname, you could add this 400 as well: 100 0_ $a Maria, $c Siostra 400 1_ $a Goretti, Maria 400 0_ $a Maria Goretti, $c Siostra The one form that is not admissible under RDA is 100 1_ $a Goretti, Maria, $c Siostra since in this case the name chosen contains a surname, in which case Siostra should *not* be treated as an integral part of the name. Charles Croissant Pius XII Memorial Library, Saint Louis University On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Stewart, Richard rstew...@indiantrailslibrary.org wrote: Hello all, I'd appreciate any thoughts about whether I'm on the right track in dealing with this name. I'm doing original cataloging of Ciasta i ciasteczka Siostry Marii (Sister Maria's cakes and cookies). The author's name appears as Siostry Marii (genitive case) on the title page and Siostra Maria Goretti on the verso of the t.p. So following 9.2.2.2 and 2.2.2, Siostra Maria would be the preferred form. I can find no biographical information on Siostra Maria, other than that she apparently runs an orphanage and bakery connected with a basilica in Poland. Luckily and to my surprise, the form I have chosen for the authorized access point, 100 0_ $a Maria, $c Siostra, does not conflict with any authorized or variant access points in the NAF. A wrinkle in constructing the variant access point (400 1_ $a Goretti, Maria, $c Siostra) is that Goretti may not be this individual's surname; rather I suspect that Maria Goretti may be her name in religion honoring Saint Maria Goretti. Am I right in supposing that I don't need to worry about this distinction in setting up the access point? Thanks in advance to the Collective Wisdom for any confirmation or correction. -- Richard A. Stewart Cataloging Supervisor Indian Trails Library District 355 Schoenbeck Road Wheeling, Illinois 60090-4499 USA Tel: 847-279-2214 Fax: 847-459-4760 rstew...@indiantrailslibrary.org http://www.indiantrailslibrary.org/ http://www.indiantrailslibrary.org/ To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L -- Charles Croissant Senior Catalog Librarian Pius XII Memorial Library Saint Louis University St. Louis, MO 63108 To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L ** Experience the British Library online at http://www.bl.uk/ The British Library’s latest Annual Report and Accounts : http://www.bl.uk/aboutus/annrep/index.html Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. Adopt a Book. http://www.bl.uk/adoptabook The Library's St
