Re: [RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-24 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
Ah ha! I didn't consider using a small 12V battery with a charger. I was thinking of just using a 120V -> 12V converter to handle the DC loads. Is the 12V battery really necessary, or can I just power the DC loads directly with a converter? If I just have lights and fans on the DC system, the load

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-24 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
Fortunately, the owner is pretty handy and is willing to live with any negative consequences. That said, I want to offer him something as simple and bulletproof as possible. I am walking into this with eyes wide open, for sure. Jason Szumlanski Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-24 Thread John Blittersdorf via RE-wrenches
Jason, I have a customer with the same situation except he already has a 12 V VFX inverter, He has a sunfrost fridge and other small loads with a very fancy custom control board originally set up to handle AC and DC systems. We are adding a lot more solar and I was considering a dual battery

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-24 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
Thanks, Jay. Any thoughts on whether a 100A 12V converter is adequate to handle the startup surge of a modern 120V full-size refrigerator when an existing 400W load is present? That would be my design parameters.  I guess the other question is, what happens if the converter is overloaded? I know

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-24 Thread Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches
Jason, My vote would be for using a 120 to 12vDC power supply large enough to handle the remaining 12 vDC loads and skip the second battery bank. In my mind, this is simpler, cleaner, and if the power supply fails at some point, it is an easy replacement, if they still want to keep the DC loads

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transformerless inverter conversion

2024-04-24 Thread August Goers via RE-wrenches
Here is a link to download the SolarPro May/June 2016 issue reference below: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eiBt5n-ABfNn2ng8IwVl2yMvVHpQlZ_U/view?usp=sharing -August On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 4:34 PM August Goers wrote: > Hi William and All - > > The SolarPro Magazine article on page 35

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-24 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches
Yeah definitely no second battery. On Apr 24, 2024, at 6:41 AM, Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches wrote:Jason,My vote would be for using a 120 to 12vDC power supply large enough to handle the remaining 12 vDC loads and skip the second battery bank. In my mind, this is simpler, cleaner, and if the

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-24 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches
I agree with John. Most 12v fridges have small compressors. But I don’t know what they have. Personally a major reason to go 120/ac is to get a normal refrigerator. But you can measure the surge/load  and then size the charger accordingly. One feature of going charger is the lights are a lot

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-24 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
Hi Dave, I appreciate the concern. It's not one of those situations. We have a couple of barrier islands around here where people have set up what amounts to little fish camps that are used infrequently. The islands are also home to a few full-time/most-time residents and state parks. Everyone

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-24 Thread John Blittersdorf via RE-wrenches
Jason, Just using the converter works fine. They are considered a battery charger or a regulated power supply. I am currently running that way now with the battery cables going nowhere. I was thinking of putting the battery back in the system just for triple redundancy when my inverter hits low

Re: [RE-wrenches] 120 Vac and 12Vdc mixed distribution system

2024-04-24 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches
How about just buy an RV? Seriously the reason Jason I am Leary is because of the experiences I have had with what I call Offgrid Squalor. Just have to be careful especially these days of druggies, people in vans with no windows, ex paramilitary that went bad, and you get the picture. If

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-Tied Radian Force Discharge

2024-04-24 Thread Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches
Maverick and Steve, Thank you much for pointing me in the right direction here. I was looking at the Radian setting and not the Mate3S settings. I've decided to use the flextime schedule to have it go to grid zero mode at night when we will not be exporting any solar power anyway. It really does