Hi Anton,
reduce [unset! either none [][]]
== [unset! unset]
Why was the first unset! molded and the second formed?
The difference is that:
reduce [unset!]
is a block! with a word! and when you evaluate it, the word get its value,
which is the datatype! unset!.
while:
reduce
Hi,
I repeatedly get a segmentation fault when trying to read
http://home.tiscali.dk/Andy%20Warhol2.htm on a Mac OSX. Try to read the same
URL from a Win2k, and do not get the fault. The URL behaves a bit funny
(quasi-circular redirects). Turn on trace/net, and you'll see (but hurry, the
URL
Hi,
Is there any way (without using 'wait) to datect if a tcp connection has
been closed? If I try to 'insert into a port that has been closed by the
peer it won't generate an error or anything. Ideas?
Try:
set-modes port [no-wait: true]
none? copy port
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Hi,
Seems to me the #386 bug.
Do you agree?
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Re: [trim][string] Something strange
Hi,
Please consider that molded code should be able to be
loaded back by rebol. So I say no.
I agree.
Could be an help service.
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Hi.
this is weird:
type? /home/http/run/cohen/birds
== /birds
/birds is obviously not a type.
What is happening here?
It is happening that your are writing a line of code like this:
type? /home /http /run /cohen /birds
the / starts a refinement! word that ends at the next /
Hi,
A path cannot start with /.
grin On linux it does.
tj
A file! path can start with / also in Rebol:
%/home/http/run/cohen/birds ;== %/home/http/run/cohen/birds
and you can also do:
home: %/home
home/http/run/cohen/birds ;== %/home/http/run/cohen/birds
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Hi,
Smooth Copy is a backup application that I am writing. I have it encapped
as smooth-copy.exe. It is a standard Windows error when a program crashes.
Can't you isolate the problem?
Do you see memory use increasing more and more with task manager?
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Hi, Bo
I'll add more logging to the script along with how many levels deep in
recursion it is, what the memory usage is (system/stats), and what files it
is copying to see if I can isolate the problem so I can then recreate and
debug it.
Well, i do not know if you use it, but use my version
no I want to send email through rebol.
unfortunately my email account needs to have
my password, also a username of name\domain
instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] which rebol quits on
name\
Try:
to email! name\domain
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Smooth Copy has performed an illegal operation
I did never see this error, what is Smooth Copy?
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Hi,
I guess the real problem I have is that I don't know how to include the
code that is in a module file in a way it would be bound to a context. For
instance, I would like to create a file that would have the following
function defind on it:
test: func [ ] [
print Hello
]
read
Hi Maxin and Marteens,
Actually... the limit should be one, as a wait inside a wait is useless:
a wait is for event processing so one is enough. Nesting waits makes no
sense. As Carl once said: a wait is a wait ;-)
Nesting makes sense: it is useful to let the system know where to go when
Hi Brett,
Yes documentation is a weakness - especially for ports. Async, is somewhat
special because I don't believe RT has finished that area of work. Some
members of the community have jumped into fill some of the gaps which is
good but confuses this area a bit - esp. for me. :-)
I do not
Hi,
make-dir/deep does not support FTP.
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Hi Maxim,
what's happening with the ftp patch compilation... has it been released?
I released it, but it is waiting in the 1.3 queue. Code can be found on the
web at the 1.3 page.
and does it fix the problem with make-dir creating directories that end up
in user root rather than in the
Hi, maxim
what is the best way to open modal windows in view (windows which block
events to other windows, like requesters and alerts).
are there alternatives to using inform... IIRC it was quite buggy, and was
prone to crash rebol...
Inform has no bugs. It is the low-level handling of
Brondo, Greg,
Where are things like open/lines/direct documented? If I execute 'help
open' I can see 'open/lines' and 'open/direct' but no the
'open/lines/direct'. How is a newcomer to this language supposed to 'know'
these things?
Reading docs:
Hi Andreas,
; default dispatcher
handle: func [ port [port!] state [word! error!] ] [
either error? state [
on-error port state
] [
switch state [
connect [ on-connect port ]
close [ on-close port ]
Hi Anton,
What were you thinking resolve* would be for ?
Resolve can be ignored, but resolve can fail, like connect.
I am asking it all that errors are a good thing. I am thinking to use words
instead:
dns-failure
connect-failure
errors could be used only for i/o errors
This makes
Hi, Will
The crash with waitlist probe should be a mold problem: it does not handle
recursive pointer inside ports.
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Hi Maarteen,
Don't you think it would be a good idea to post it to rebol.org, so
everybody gets noticed of little bugfixes and enhancements? Surely
async:// adds enough to REBOL to let people use it/enhance it.
That was a fast patch, here it is a correction. The dns://async port seems to
That was a fast patch, here it is a correction. The dns://async port seems
to
have some strange problems, this this a workaround:
The workaround does not work perfectly. I am not able until now to understand
when/where the bug happens. It seems to me that under some conditions
(dns:///async
check crlf and lf
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With other non async examples of using tcp, I was able to send the
following xml tags to
Hi Anton,
The advantage of that over a single function, I suppose,
is so that you can derive from a standard base
object (or choose from several easy-to-use example objects),
with the four functions [connect read write close] inside.
I would be happy with that, if that was what you were
I should like to define a common (standard) interface for async protocols.
I proposed some time ago an object! style, like the View feel, instead of the
awake function.
What do you think?
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Hi, Will
I should write it in the following mode. Some notes:
1) you can set the awake function using make port!
port: make port! [scheme: 'async host: hst port-id: 80 awake: :handl]
you cannot use the words 'host or 'handler because the block is bound to the
port before execution (like
If they are all valid rebol value, you can load the string or try this:
str: {e1 e2 e 3 e4 eee 5 e6 ^{e 7^}}
until [res: load/next str probe to string! res/1 tail? str: res/2]
Else you must write a parse rule.
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Hi Anton,
This sparks an idea for new syntax for me. How about:
find/::case/::skip a b size
That way you can pick and choose which refinements will be
propagated and which are hard-coded. eg:
find/::case/skip a b size
This means:
/case is propagated if case is true
/skip is
Hi Gabriele
RPT do-alt find /reverse false
RPT find/alt /reverse false
You can't have that, the best we could get is:
I think that both are possible. I prefer the first one.
The best option seems to be like Ladislav suggests,
apply :find [reverse: true series: [a b c]
Hi Gabriele,
arguments. To solve this you'd need to parenthesize all
expressions.
Yes.
The do-alt function could have some limitations not present in the standard
evaluation routine.
But now I have another proposal, with less problems (I hope):
a: abcd
b: c
case:
Hi Gabriele,
This is the only case I would use APPLY for --- passing arguments
and refinements from another function. If the block you pass APPLY
is not constructed programmatically, then you don't need APPLY at
all. But if it is, having everything in the same order as in the
function
Hi Gabriele,
Hmm, but if you have to construct the block, then why not
constructing a path like Ladislav does in his functions. I don't
see any advantage.
I don't understand.
The apply function was a your propose.
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args: [1 2]
if reverse [append args /reverse]
if skip [repend args [/skip amount]]
apply :find args
then a native APPLY is useless, as you doing the same amount of
work that Ladislav's function does.
Ah, yes. It could
Hi Gabriele,
RPT x: func [a /b c][]
RPT ;can be called
RPT x/b 1 2
RPT ;or
RPT x/arg_block [1 /b 2]
I think we just need an APPLY native function,
apply :x [1 /b 2]
or even:
apply :x [1 true 2]
that is probably closer to what REBOL does internally.
Hi Gabriele,
Do you think you would use APPLY that way? I wouldn't. I would use
it this way, instead:
apply :find [
series value part range only case any
with wild skip size match tail last reverse
This is the only case in which you syntax has some
Hi Gabriele,
RPT Refinement have not an order, like arguments.
They do, the order in which they are defined in the function.
Yes, but in Rebol this order is not important, while is important the
arguments order, so it seems to me a wrong mode to extend the language, also
because:
Hi Ladislav,
all this stuff about arguments passing is very interesting for me, but
remain always too complex for real usage.
I think that is a need to change something about this stuff at native level.
Do you have some ideas about new native, new syntax to make refinements and/or
argument
Ok, Lad
this is my solution, (without refinements handling and without get and lit
arguments and without optimizations)
Do not read if you want to try by yourself.
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anti: func [[catch] :f /local body][
body: copy []
parse first :f [
some [
[end |
Hi Anton,
That is the serialization of a native function referenced directly. In this
case happens to be the 'not function.
As you can understand, native functions cannot be serialized, and mold put a
'native word for every native it should serialize.
It also outputs 'op for every op! and
Hi Lad,
I have got a few notes:
1) I am still not convinced, that a get argument, (alias fetched
argument) is a good argument passing method. The disadvantage of it is,
that you cannot easily supply a result of an expression as an argument.
yes, but it is so elegant to write
anti
..., but it wouldn't work for some cases. Have a look at
http://www.compkarori.com/vanilla/display/subfunc.r , which does
(essentially) the same thing ;-) and is optimized for speed by Romano (I
recently found that some improvements can still be made - 67% speed-up
and a correction for
My first attempt, but i do not know if it is a right answer:
antif: func [:f [any-function!] args[block!]][do head insert copy args :f]
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Obviously I forgot the not. But perhaps i mis-interpreted the syntax required
but the antif function. If it is tha case, can you do some examples ot the
required syntax?
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listen port are always wait (afaik)
you should use the awake port field for async code
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What is the purpose of no-wait.
Hi,
I installed rebol/view the other day, then replaced
the rebol.exe file with the beta version I downloaded.
It doesn't seem to be working correctly. For one thing,
here's what happens when I double-click the Rebol icon
on my Windows XP home machine, then type in 'upgrade':
Upgrade works
Hi Doc, I understand your point and i agree.
I think that could be followed a path like the View one.
i am thinking to the feel object, with recurring standard name until is
possibile:
My first attempt make me think to (arguments here are only example):
port/locals/feel: make object! [
Hi, all
The way I see it is that any value which does not evaluate into an action
simply returns a clean version if itself. It is possible that some values get
reduced or corrected as part of their evaluation, but I do not know how to
call this behavior.
example:
2001-3-4
== 4-Mar-2001
I should like to know people opinions about async interface for user callback
functions.
Until now we have 2 different strategies:
1) async:// which uses port/awake with an argument to switch among states
2) call:// which uses port/locals/custom-name1: func [][]
port/locals/custom-name2:
Hi,
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but is REBOL
Object Oriented?
Yes, like Self:
http://research.sun.com/self/language.html
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Hi,
That is not imo needed. AFAIK even RT is interested in browser plug-in
resurrection.
RT should do the source code for plugin open source or better public domain,
so people can improve/change/adapt it.
Of course I have not studied consequences of the plug-in
problem MS was sued
Hi,
tstring: password/jj
== password/jj
tstring: to-path tstring
== password/jj
There are many issues about this expression.
1)
p: to-path a/b
creates a path composed of a single item which is itself th path a/b.
You can verify this with this:
length? :p
first :p
type?
is that there is no difference between code and data in Rebol.
And that can be detected only at run time.
An help for the programmer could be a /debug mode for the interpreter which
outputs a list of warning during execution, but we have only the trace mode
just now.
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Hi,
I was able
Hi,
I was able to isolate the problem.
The following script shows almost the same time as testindex.r
searching for 20 objects.
n: 20
h: make hash! n
start: now/time/precise
repeat i n [
oid: random n
obj: select h oid
if none? obj [
obj: make object!
Hi Ladislav,
The advantages:
is trasparent for break
works with empty block
inside the body you know where values are stored
is not slow
Does this behave well w.r.t. Return?
Should be trasparent for return.
Also the value returned by the loop is the same.
The body block is
Hi Ladislav,
I don't like that. As far as I know, no operating system allows that. Am I
wrong?
I do not know it and i did not know it. This should make your proposal more
accettable, also if is left to the OS. Sometimes FTP is used as an interface
for database which are not true file system.
Hi Ladislav,
well, it is annoying for me, because the %/c/rebol specification
uniquely determines the target of my operation. Linux Rebol/Core behaves
differently, but the behaviour looks unacceptable too.
Do you like this?
make-dir %rebol/
write %rebol test
read %rebol ;==aaa
delete
This is my idea of collect:
collect-in: func [
{Append block evaluations to a series, use as body in For, Repeat, etc.}
dest [block! hash! list! any-string!] Series to append results
block [block!] Block to evaluate.
/only Inserts into dest using the Only refinement.
/local main
][
A curiosity, i have compressed rebol.exe with
http://upx.sourceforge.net/
i becomes 320 kb and seems to works
How small can become Core?
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Hi Gregg,
dir? %/c/rebol
== true
Seems inconsistent with it, but I haven't spent any thought on what's
This comes from:
info? %/c/rebol
info? ftp://host/rebol
that returns an object with the type (link/dir/file)
dir? is a front-end for info?
What i want to say is that if Windows is =
Hi bryan,
button send[
insert telnet copy f1/text
port: wait [telnet/sub-port system/ports/input]
either port = telnet/sub-port [
if none? str: copy telnet [break]
append f2/text str ][]
]
You cannot call wait from event code (like the action of a button).
Instead you must insert
Hi Anton,
also mold fails, so i think that it is an unsupported feature:
do mold context[a: self]
** Script Error: ... has no value
** Near: ...
(thanks for your message about edit-text-undo.r)
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New version of edit-text-undo.r
The 1.0.2 version correct another bug in RT code: unprintable key and hide
field. (See the script header for more info)
Always here:
http://www.rebol.it/%7Eromano/
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Hi, Henrik
given a Rebol image, a solution:
do decompress compress mold help.gif
Instead a more secure:
load decompress compress mold/all help.gif
fails for a load bug (Feedback Id #31r704220):
load mold/all help.gif
** Syntax Error: Invalid construct -- #[
** Near: (line 522)
Hi Sunanda,
troublesome-script: {
,
REBOL [needs: [9.9.9 xxx]]
}
script? troublesome-script ;; finds a valid header : correct!
load-header troublesome-script ;; Romano's script -- finds a valid header:
correct!
load troublesome-script ;; fails due to the 'need
**
The last beta release has reached a good point. All known bug fixed (among
them low connections number)
I should like to extend the base of testers before the final release.
If someone want to test it, he can send an email to my address.
People with ftp connections to MS servers, exotic FTP
Hi Brett,
blah blah
[ REBOL [Title: Sample] print now]
blah blahblah blah
blah blah
Strangely enough, the Script? function that Yos pointed out seems to give a
useful result in this case - the beginning of the embedded script, but not
when the script is not embedded. Odd.
Hi, all
this works also with foreach (not only with loop and repeat):
use [insert-only break-return res] [
insert-only: func [series value] [insert/only series value]
break-return: func [value] [break/return value]
res: func [value] [func [] reduce [value]]
collectB: func [
{Collects
Hi,
View for AIX seems to be at 1.2.1.17. I do not use View on AIX because
I want to run REBOL from a shell script. Running Core from a shell
script works, but if I try to run View from a shell script it tries to
start an X-server, which I don't want. So I have just Core (2.3) on
AIX.
Hi,
Well, that would help a bit if someone has that version. I am a bit
confused about what is available. The REBOL download page shows
1.2.1.3.1 as the Windows version of VIEW. On the page linked as recent
beta version found here the Windows version is called
view1210031.exe.
Hi Steven,
A few items:
1. My cutting and pasting operation broke a couple long lines into two
lines, and caused some syntax errors. I was able to fix that.
2. In your note I believe you meant source send instead of source
send-mail. I got by that also.
yes, it was to give you an
Hi,
We need to be able to do something like:
print difference version 1.2.1 version 1.2.10
Where version is some near little function that accesses the help for that
version.
In the meanwhile you can try:
http://www.rebol.it/%7Eromano/#sect4.1.
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Hi all,
two more cents to let Break work as usual: :-)
use [insert-only break-return] [
insert-only: func [series value] [insert/only series value]
break-return: func [value] [break/return value]
collectB: func [
{Collects block evaluations, use as body in For, Repeat, etc.}
block
Hi all,
Well said. I think a single tag could be used, but once we get to
three or four of them, I lose the actual subject (literally; visually;
the column in the mailer list isn't wide enough to display it).
I suggest to put them at the end of subject, not at the start.
My screen is small:
Hi Gabriele,
that seems to work in every case. (Note: won't work if you have
ASYNC-MODES set to 'WRITE, since then the AWAKE would be called
even if no data is in the receive buffer.)
Yesss, async-modes WRITE uses a forever loop which calls awake forever (use
only when needed).
(BTW,
Hi Maarten,
I think this may have to do with the port being in async mode? Or did
you test it in sync mode as well?
It is the same.
But in async mode, copy should not be used, you must use read-io, and read-io
in this case returns 0 instead of 0.
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Hi Sabu,
Memory is auto-recycled.
You can force recycling with the recycle function.
You can test the memory allocated by your program with system/stats
You can have an idea of memory used by some code with these routines:
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/search.r?find=mem2
cfg:
Beta version 2 for download:
do load-thru http://www.rebol.it/%7Eromano/ftp-patch.r
0.0.2 BETA version 19/11/03
New Features
- Experimental query which does not throw an error if file not found
The behaviour now should be the the same of a file-system port.
- chdir-check now
Hi Brett,
It would be great if Ashley and Carl could run this new test against their
servers. This one is in source code form rather than a patch.
You come to my side about patches :-)
I did not want to rewrite by scratch the whole ftp protocol, only to
reorganize the code to do better and
Hi Brett,
My take out from that is that any specific server-FTP or user-FTP will
support NLST and LIST except when it does not. (-:
:-)
Perhaps an example of this might be where directory permissions are such
that a user is allowed to read a file they target exactly, but not allowed
to
Hi,
Also because
NLST is not always implemented, if LIST is implemented. And this happens
also
if the http://www.wu-ftpd.org/rfc/rfc1123.html says (1989) that NLIST MUST
be
implemented.
I was wrong, I have no evidence that NLST is not handled by some ftp servers.
I have thought to some
Hi Max,
but then, how do all ftp softwares fix this.
The error i know in parsing files with LIST can be fixed with a slight change
in the parse rules of the ftp handler.
I think that commercial products make fine tuning of the rules they use to
parse list output. It is only the task to try
Hi all,
CR Net-log: [LIST results: {
CR drwxrwsr-x 2 212 217 1024 Jan 25 2002 -dir-
CR drwxrwsr-x 4 212 217 1024 Jan 25 2002 -dir-
CR drwxrwsr-x 2 212 217 1024 Jan 25 2002 -dir-
CR drwxrwsr-x 2 212 217 1024 Jan 25 2002
Ashley, Brett, Carl and all
there are many problems in FTP code. Almost every routine has something
wrong. I do not think that patching can reach a valid result. So I'm rewriting
the protocol trying to put a little of order in the caos :-).
I should like to test my beta code on other
Hi Brett,
As I understand it, Catch does not trap errors at all, yet the FTP
protocol
code has error? catch in multiple places through the code. As users
we
can wrap our FTP stuff in a Try or Attempt to protect ourselves, but
still
the FTP code may fall apart unreasonably early.
Correction:
I have another point: why it tests only the 5, NLIST is like LIST, LIST
waits a 2 class answer, the same should be for NLIST.
class 1
Now i'll check the rfc for this.
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Hi Anton,
That's pretty nice, but, as I was going
to ask Gabriele, how do you handle unicode
strings?
I forgot to say:
Unicode is left to the user as an exercise :-)
I wrote the code to see how bnf is near to the parse grammar. I must say that
has been very easy to convert the bnf
Where is your ftp stuff?
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Hi,
One of many problems of the ftp handler is that it does create directory
outside the root:
when you do
make-dir ftp://www.bbb.ccc/main/sub
is created the dir:
sub/
and not the dir:
main/sub/
One patch can be this:
mkdir-check: [
[MKD head system/words/remove
Hi,
another problem of the ftp handler is error handling (see
http://www.rebol.net/list/list-msgs/32024.html)
one patch i tested a little is this:
old:
repeat x length? connections [
conn: system/words/pick connections x
if all [conn conn/host = temp conn/user = port/user
Hi,
i forgot to say that this patch:
patched:
repeat x length? connections [
conn: system/words/pick connections x
if all [ conn conn/host = temp conn/user = port/user
;romano
not error? catch [throw-on-error [get-cur-dir
Hi Brett,
I tried briefly to replicate the problem but couldn't - I got a different
error!
What error?
My error manifests itself only under some conditions (i am not able to say
exactly what conditions). I think that they depend from cached ftp port, but i
am not sure. With a freshly opened
Hi all
this is my attempt to do a coffee break json to rebol converter:
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=json.r
is under gpl, additions, corrections, bugs are welcome
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Hi Brett,
another problem of the ftp handler is error handling (see
http://www.rebol.net/list/list-msgs/32024.html)
I see your point about the error handling code in the FTP protocol - it does
not look robust to me.
In the connections case is robust.
In the other cases, tests must be
Hi Arnoux
Thanks for your reply, but it doesn't solve the problem.
Actually:
1) When I try to run it on an older computer, it crashes quicker.
2) In a previous version, I had only one loop doing the work and it was
working OK.
Thanks for your reply, but it doesn't solve the problem.
Your
Hi Vincent,
to simulate the file should be better:
summary_file: copy []
repeat n 14000 [
insert tail summary_file join a mystring c n
]
now the string are not the same
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Hi Vincent,
Good to know. The problem should be in the ftp code.
But you must use copy/deep if you think to re use the code.
2 additional notes:
insert tail
is a lot more fast than append.
pick tmp 3
is a little more fast than tmp/3
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Hi All,
I am happy for all the replies (was expecting even more ;-)
I think that only RT can set a standard for this kind of things. Modules,
libraries are an important aspect of a language, not external tools. Knowing
Carl Sassenrath work on Amiga and his deep modular code, i think that Carl
But why is the text that is entered into one text field automatically
propagated to all of the other empty fields in every record without
explicitly specifying it, i.e., after entering the text, I never insert the
value in the 3rd text field into db/1/3 and certainly not into db/1/4,
db/2/3,
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