I have a copy of all the speeches made on the Motion of regret:
Howard
Beazley
Anderson
Melham
Ruddock
Snowdon
Andren (reserved the right to speak)
It is very interesting reading and brings home in no uncertain terms that this
so-called 'regret' has less to do with regret than it has to do with
Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:20 AEST
New computer bug found in
Windows operating systems
A computer bug has been found in Microsoft's
Windows operating systems which has been
described as worse than the 'Melissa' virus.
A group of computer scientists in the United States
has found that malicious
Would everyone who posts to the list please make sure their HTML is turned off?
Not everyone's system can handle email that is posted this way and the best way
for these problems to be avoided is to have email in plain text only.
Thank you for your cooperation! :-)
Trudy
The Sydney Morning Herald
Dodson urges young not to 'sell out'
Date: 28/08/99
By TONY STEPHENS
Patrick Dodson, named by Senator Aden Ridgeway this week as the father of
reconciliation, called last night for a formal agreement
guaranteeing the rights of indigenous Australians in the
World to see warts-and-all doco on Aboriginal athletes
Source: AAP | Published: Friday August 27 9:10:42 AM
LONDON, Aug 27 - Millions of television viewers in 33 countries will
have their pre-Olympic ideas of Australia
shattered by a new warts-and-all documentary on
From Christine Howes:
On wednesday 1 september, at 2.30pm Sydney time, the Federal Court
will hand down its decision on whether genocide is lawful in
Australia. This follows the genocide cases launched by Wadjularbinna
Nulyarimma of the Gungalidda and others over the native title
amendments,
The Sydney Morning Herald
RECONCILIATION
How Mr Howard tricked us all
Date: 30/08/99
Mere regrets are just a shabby refusal to accept our past, writes Robert Manne.
Last Thursday the Federal Parliament passed a motion of reconciliation. With the
exception of the Labor Party and the sharpest
I think it is because Aden Ridgeway and Lowitja O'Donahue are better people than
Howard is and they
therefore tend to believe he is sincere - at least in part. He can be very convincing
and his words often
seem very reasonable. I believe it is something he has learnt to use to get what he
media release
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E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
URL:http://www.omen.net.au/~dicwc
Monday, 30 August 1999
Institute of Criminology - Prison Suicide Numbers
http://www.smh.com.au/news/9908/31/text/letters.html
Some thought provoking letters to the editor today.
Trudy
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ABC
Wik crunch-time
The World Today - Tuesday, August31, 199912:37
COMPERE: It's crunch time on Native Title, according to
Western Australia's Premier Richard Court, as today the
Senate in Canberra appears poised to veto the Northern
Territory Native Title legislation, which was drawn up
Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:19 AEST
Court finds genocide not a
crime
The Full Bench of the Federal Court in Sydney
has found that genocide is not a crime under
Australian common law.
The Court was delivering its judgement on two
appeals by a number of Aboriginal plaintiffs who
were seeking a
http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/99/09/01/timfeatel01002.html?999
The Times (UK)
September 1 1999
TELEVISION
In Welcome to Australia (ITV), John Pilger -
the man waging a fearless battle against David
Attenborough to be the last TV presenter in the
world still wearing short-sleeved
media release
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Thursday, 2 September 1999
Prison Death: Casuarina Prison's Horror
Don,
You forgot the 'assault' charge for wrenching away too hard or any other reason the
cop can come up with.
I remember seeing an amateur video on TV that showed two policemen beating up several
Aboriginal people with
their truncheons and yet the Indigenous people were charged with the triple
At 11.05 on ABC TV Jimmy Little will be featured on Studio 22.
Trudy
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Rod,
I must say I admire your courage - I gave up watching ACA quite some time ago and just
can't bring myself to
do it again.
I did watch Lateline today (repeat of last night) where Pilger's doco was discussed as
well as Colin Tatz's
book. Colin Tatz was a guest and two others - I didn't catch
The Canberra Times
Sep 4, 1999
PM sorry
COPENHAGEN: Denmark's Prime Minister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen
apologised today for the way his country forced Greenland Inuits out
of their homes when a US air base was expanded in 1953.
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Shame on Australia
I have just spent an unhappy hour watching a report by John Pilger ("Welcome to
Australia") on the plight of your indigenous natives
(Abos to you).
It is a report that would shame a Third World country.
Of past injustices that remain unrectified; diseases that were dying out
On ABC TV tonight at 10:30 pm "2 Shot"
Patrick Dodson talks to Fran Kelly about his career
and reconciliation work.
Trudy
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State Offices
New South Wales
Queensland
South Australia
Victoria
Western Australia
Northern Territory
For
reconnet: reconciliation email network
URGENT ACTION ALERT
s43a STATE SCHEMES AND THE RIGHT TO NEGOTIATE
Action is needed this week on this issue.
Dear friends,
Once again we face a critical time for native title, this time with hard
decisions coming before the Federal Parliament
Rod Hagen wrote:
An article in the net version of the Washington Post today puts a new twist
on the East Timor situation. Is this a new version of the Indonesian
"Official Line" or something with some validity?
Rod,
On the ABC news at noon they reported that most of the media within
Rod Hagen wrote:
At 05:18 PM 7/9/99, Trudy and Rod Bray wrote:
snip
On the ABC news at noon they reported that most of the media within
Indonesia (although not all) portrayed
the violence as from two opposing forces - a civil war. Maybe this is an
extension of that if it wasn't
Most of us saw this on video and it didn't look anything like described below.
And what happened to the American military police who 'helped' so
enthusiastically?
Trudy
^^^
Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:08 AEST
LOCAL NEWS : Queensland
Officers found not guilty in
Ipswich
Forwarded from Christine Howes:
The next Wanya: Its Time to Talk forum will be held at ABC Music Studios,
Ferry
Road, West End at 12noon on Saturday the 25th of September. The topic will
be
Addressing Indigenous Disadvantage, with a panel including JOHN WOODLEY, Dr
DAVID BRAND, Dr DAVID WATSON
Forwarded from Christine Howes:
Dear Everyone,
We are trying to let as many people as possible know about this year's
Heart
Politics Conference. Could you please pass this message on to anyone you
think might be interested or who you think would benefit from attending.
Thanks,
Garth Luke
Black leaders torpedo PM's reconciliation plans
Source: AAP | Published: Wednesday September 15 5:14:23 PM
Prime Minister John Howard's goal of achieving an historic
reconciliation agreement by the centenary of federation
was effectively torpedoed today by a summit of
A post by one Jeremy Beck on aus.politics
Pauline Hansons One Nation has support from the Nyoongar Circle of
Aboriginal Elders. One Nation has an advertisement in The Aboriginal
Newspaper. Why is the mainstream media so silent on such a presumably
newsworthy story? For details see these
According to the person who posted the URLs on aus.politics, the ad space was donated
to Ein Reich..
Trudy
Trudy and Rod Bray wrote:
Hi Lynn,
I can believe you were surprised!
For those who don't received the newspaper the two URLs refer to:
A PHONy newsletter wherein they claim
For those concerned about biotechnology especially where it affects our food.
--- Trudy
***
It will cost $42 for non-members and $30 for members of the National Press Club
to attend (if in Canberra) and should be televised from 1pm to 2pm tomorrow on
the ABC.
Tim,
The best way to debate PP may be in the letters page at the SMH.
Cheers,
Trudy
tdunlop wrote:
Trudy wrote: Luckily, Paddy McGuinness lists his email address at the end of
his
opinion piece so he can be debated. Whether this does any good is
another question. --- Trudy
"Deaths In Custody Watch Commitee (WA) Inc." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lack of courses delays release
one would like to think that those people who are in charge ( not
repsonsible) of prisons here in WA would try to reduce the costs of
incarceration through simply getting people prepared for release at
Speaking Strong: Australian Indigenous Struggles on Film
Over the next four weeks, Students for Land Justice and Reconciliation
bring you a festival of great and rarely screened Australian films. Each
night there will be two short films and speakers to introduce the themes of
the evening.
You're welcome, Tim. I thought you and everone else would enjoy the letter.
I usually cannot stomach reading PP but occasionally it is good to find out what kind
of racism is on offer
under the guise of 'reasonable discourse'. He doesn't usually cover it up as well as
he did in his last
Los Angeles civil rights group
calls for Toyota boycott
From AP
25sep99
11.30am (AEST) LOS ANGELES: The local chapter of the
Congress for Racial Equality is calling for a worldwide boycott
against Toyota products after a black employee of the car
manufacturer's Long Beach subsidiary
Forwarded from Christine Howes:
Still not sure what CERD actually is?
Get up to speed and hear it from the horse's mouth.
LES MALEZER of FAIRA and the National Indigenous Working Group
was on the team in Geneva
He will be guest speaker at ANTaR's SEA OF IDEAS
7PM - 9PM WEDNESDAY 29TH SEPTEMBER
Grath [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Don't forget! ABC TV at 8:30 pm Tuesday!
Had a bad night last night and was forced to miss the doco. Does anyone
else live in Brissie and record it.
Trudy an
From:Bruce Reyburn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Warumungu translation and back translation
Date: Tuesday, 28 September 1999 18:19
SONGLINES LIST - First message
NOTE new address for sending messages to songlines list is
now [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That last letter in c2o
http://www.smh.com.au/news/9909/30/html/cartoon.html
Have a look at today's cartoon in the SMH!
Trudy
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Thank you, Laurie!
The Happy 99 worm is sneaky in that you don't even know you're sending it. You must
have opened it without
realising what it was. Luckily it is not the most destructive of viruses but it does
point out how
susceptible a list can be.
I received several "undeliverable"s
Forwarded from Christine Howes:
Press Release
Premier, HON. PETER BEATTIE
28/9/99
Beattie: Lease legislation safe from Senate
There was no risk that the Senate could overturn Queensland legislation
specifying that grazing homestead perpetual leases and grazing homestead
freeholding
Police investigate KKK threat
Source: AAP | Published: Friday October 1 4:07:37 PM
Police will tonight attend a meeting called by the 'Taree KKK', inviting
Taree residents on the NSW mid-north coast to
stone an Aboriginal mission.
A flier has been distributed
The Advertiser
Aboriginal 'crown jewels' to be
auctioned
2oct99
THE controversial history of the Strehlow Aboriginal artefacts
collection is set to take a new turn with the sale of the family's
private collection.
Mr Carl Strehlow will auction 350 artefacts left to him by his father
ABC News
Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:13 AEST
SOCOG seeks clarification on
flying Aboriginal flag
There will be further clarification today of where,
and in what context, the Aboriginal flag may be
flown during Sydney's Olympic Games.
Yesterday the organisers of the Sydney Olympics
(SOCOG) announced that
High Court rules in favour of crocodile
hunter
From AAP
7oct99
10.30am (AEST) ABORIGINAL activist Murrandoo Yanner has been cleared to
hunt and eat wild crocodiles in north Queensland after a landmark ruling by the
Full Bench of the High Court.
The ruling further clarifies native title
29 September 1999
ATSIC welcomes A-G's appeal against controversial Cairns sentence - but
says 'fundamental' questions still hang over justice system
ATSIC National Commissioner Colin Dillon has welcomed the Queensland
government's decision to appeal against a "manifestly inadequate "
Aid organisation raises half a million dollars
Source: AAP | Published: Friday October 15 5:54:52 AM
SYDNEY, Oct 15 AAP - Community Aid Abroad have reached the half a
million dollar mark for their East Timor Emergency
Appeal and are hoping to make it $1 million.
ABC NEWS
Fri, 15 Oct 1999 7:19 AEST
Fears for future of
anthropological collection
A senior South Australian museum curator says if an
auction of about 300 items from the Strehlow
anthropological collection goes ahead next week, an
important body of work could be lost.
The items, including
ABC NEWS
Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:47 AEST
First credit union for indigenous
Australians launched
New South Wales' first credit union for indigenous
Australians has been launched in Sydney.
Called First Nations, it will operate as a division of
Advantage Credit Union, with its first investment of $5
Hi everyone,
As of next week, we will have a different addr*ss.
For the time being we will also keep the old one open but it won't be checked as
often.
Please amend your address books to:
Trudy and Rod Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cheers,
Trudy
The Advertiser
PM blocks gene food rules
21oct99
PRIME Minister John Howard has blocked the announcement of a
strict labelling requirement for genetically modified foods.
CONCERNED about the potential backlash from farmers and
manufacturers who have warned the new regulations would cost
ABC News
Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:31 AEST
LOCAL NEWS : Northern Territory
Lack of interest in
Aboriginal education
revealed
An internal Northern Territory Education
Department review has found a systemic lack of
interest in Aboriginal education.
The review addressed the Territory
Government's
Hi Jodie,
Jodie Patterson wrote:
Dear Trudy,
I really appreciate your list serve...do you really sit there all day doing
all that work for us?
Not quite all day ;-)
I do have a question...I am doing a research project for my masters in
Journalism, and am going to do a study on the
I agree that that would be the simplest solution, Ian. They should never have tried to
foist something
untested on the world's population without their knowledge.
I'm afraid that as far as the PM goes, you couldn't have uttered a greater
blasphemy...impede business??
If anyone would like a
ABC News
Roach refused
The World Today - Thursday, October21, 199912:53
COMPERE: Well prison authorities in Western Australia are
standing firm on the decision to stop Archie Roach
performing for prisoners in Perth's maximum security prison,
Casuarina.
The acclaimed singer songwriter
Yes, Tim, that would explain a lot. It happened very suddenly so I think
that John Howard is probably the biggest part of it.
It is a disgusting situation when one man can demand of supposedly
'free' media his own view of the world. It is more often found in
dictatorships. Still, that is one
I see Margo Kingson hasn't given up.
Trudy
^^^
SMH
Book for schools defies UN ruling
Date: 22/10/99
By MARGO KINGSTON in Canberra
United Nations rulings that Australia has breached its human rights
obligations have been defied in a Federal
The Sydney Morning Herald
Tributes to 'great white warrior'
Date: 22/10/99
By MARGO KINGSTON
Politicians across the spectrum, judges and Aboriginal leaders paid
tribute to Melbourne QC Mr Ron Castan, who died suddenly
yesterday aged 59.
Mr Castan's vision for native title saw him spend 10
And it illustrates very clearly why we need a Bill of Rights. If the republic gets up
there will be no
'convention' to put a brake on a PM with his own agenda. I find it very scary to even
contemplate a republic
under Howard.
Trudy
tdunlop wrote:
I couldn't put my hands on it last night,
tdunlop wrote:
I actually sort of disagree, Trudy; that is, I'm still thinking it through.
A bill of rights, although it enshrines certain rights as inalienable, also
puts the power to decide any given case within the legal system, that is, by
a group of unelected judges. In other words,
Australia doesn't guarantee its people the right to be represented in
court. If you're not poor enough or rich enough or the budget for Legal
Aid has been exhausted your right to a fair trial and being represented
by at least someone with more legal knowledge than yourself is severely
ABC News
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:00 AEST
Kosovar Albanian refugees
ordered to leave
The remaining Kosovar Albanian refugees in
Adelaide have been shocked by a sudden Federal
Government order to leave the city first thing
tomorrow morning.
Two families, being housed at the Grace Lutheran
Church at
tdunlop wrote:
Thanks for the response, Trudy. Here's some further thoughts.
Trudy wrote
A Bill of Rights would be tested by the High Court of the land - the
*legitimate third arm* of government
(why do people have such trouble with that?) - just as it tests
constitutional
and other
Sorry, Rod, my email server went down just after five last night.
Rod Hagen wrote:
Yes, BUT If a highly codified system had been in place then Mabo would
not have been possible! It was the late Ron Castan's common law arguments
which won the day. It would simply not have been
"Section 59, 67, 70A. Allowing the Parliament power to modify the
Constitution without a referendum."
Does anyone know anything about the above?
Is this embedded in the referendum question?
Trudy
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Forwarded from Christine Howes:
1. Ngarrindjeri Corroboree and other news
Ngarrindjeri Ngrilkulun Centenary Corroboree at Raukkan, (October 23-24)
This week a meeting of Ngarrindjeri people and supporters was informed
that
the Hindmarsh Island Bridge legislation in State parliament includes
Maybe they could pose with a cardboard cut-out of Howard - that would be very apt.
Trudy
Ian Henderson wrote:
I wonder if John Howard will be there to farewell them or would that not be
a good photo opportunity?
Ian Henderson.
ABC News
Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:00 AEST
Kosovar Albanian
I think it is rather sad that we can discuss the issues on the list and
explain our positions without attacking the other side. It's too bad the
official factions can't do a little more of that.
The Yes faction accuses the No faction of scare tactics and so now they
will do the same?
They will
Original Message
Subject: (Fwd) News: Working Group on Rights of Indigenous Peoples
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:53:55 +0800
From: "Jim Duffield" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Settlers for First Nation Australia
To: Acker [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Church"
Oldfield recites policy void: ATSIC
AAP -- One Nation MP David Oldfield's maiden speech to state parliament
last night was condemned
by an ATSIC commissioner as nothing more than a whinge filled with
garbled cliches.
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commissioner John Delaney said Mr
From: Oquist, Ben (Sen B. Brown) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, 25 October 1999 15:07
Subject: Greens-Activist Mandatory Sentencing
Dear friends,
Submissions to the Senate inquiry on Bob's bill to ban mandatory
sentencing
close this Friday.
Can you help the campaign by emailing the
New preamble will benefit
Aborigines: Howard
A vote for the proposed constitutional preamble
would reinforce the role of Aborigines as
members of the Australian community, Prime
Minister John Howard said tonight.
Mr Howard described Aborigines as "the most
disadvantaged" group in Australia, but
MEDIA RELEASE
Tuesday 26 October 1999
TAKING BACK OUR RESPONSIBILITY AND IDENTITY Forum
We are still being told whats in our best interest
(M. Dodson)
This forum is a first to compare historically what has happened within
the
areas of legal and social policies regarding Indigenous
Original Message
Subject: LL:DDV: sing loud for land justice
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:16:17 +1000
From: TCFUA Vic Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reminder:
A fundraiser for Land Justice Forum for the Yorta Yorta Nation
people in their struggle for the native
Rod Hagen wrote:
At 09:59 AM 28/10/99, Laurie Forde wrote:
Howard can lose,Trudy.He loses if, despite his best efforts to weaken
the Republic case,and divide Republican supporters, the YES vote still gets
up on Nov.6.
He loses because there is one less major division in Australian
Tim,
Your position is entrenched and so are many others. I just want to mention that
Anthony Green called the
'deliberative poll' a social experiment and not a poll.
A lot of people would disagree with you also about the 'poll' being properly
representative.
Trudy
tim:
This is not true. The
rom: Trudy and Rod Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Re: SMH - 'Yes' case on its last legs, say
strategists
Tim,
Your position is entrenched and so are many others. I just want to mention
that Ant
I see that the change to section 126 is not exactly minimal.
In fact I can see no relationship at all between the old section 126 and
the new but maybe that is just me...
Can someone explain what exactly it means as far as power invested in
the Federal Parliament?
Where it says that all laws
The Australian
Aboriginal leaders go both ways
on republic
By STUART RINTOUL
30oct99
ABORIGINAL organisations are split on whether to support a
republic, with the Northern Territory's largest land councils saying
yes, but Western Australia's influential Kimberley Land Council
saying no.
Thank you for your answer, Tim.
That raises another question though - if that is already the current situation, which
section covers it?
Also, why is there no relationship between the old s126 and the new s126?
I'm not trying to be difficult, I'd just like to know why it was done this way.
webweave wrote:
trying to get my head around the debates and want to know why we need a
head of state AND a president?
who is america's head of state other than the president?
are there countries other than monarchical ones who have both?
confused
susanne martain
Susanne,
A president
I have some questions of my own (again)...
--If we become a 'republic' (in my view the model on offer doesn't offer
a true republic but that is beside the point) under the present model on
offer, what happens if one or more of the six monarchies within the
federal republic are not willing to
Forwarded for Bruce:
Invitation.
The songlines website is now up. Please check it out.
Our theme, within the context of constitutional rethinking in Australia,
is that of Pat Dodson's recent talk "Forging new relationships".
address http://www.songlines.org.au
Bruce
1 November 99
Republic support shows slight rise: Newspoll
Source: AAP | Published: Tuesday November 2 5:07:03 AM
SYDNEY, Nov 2 - The latest Newspoll on the November 6 republic
Referendum shows a slight rise in
support for the Yes case, although it still trails the No case.
ABC News
Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:00 AEST
LOCAL NEWS : Queensland
Beattie pushes ahead with
Pearson plan
Queensland Premier Peter Beattie has set up
what he calls a "rapid response mechanism" to
deal with Aboriginal lawyer Noel Pearson's plan
to revitalise indigenous communities.
Mr Beattie says
ABC News
Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:48 AEST
LOCAL NEWS : South Australia
Supreme Court judges
explain why Hindmarsh
Bridge appeal failed
The Full Court of the South Australian Supreme
Court says a claim that building the Hindmarsh
Island Bridge, south of Adelaide, is an act of
genocide, had been doomed
as the benefits are paid by the Commonwealth.
Graham Y
Trudy and Rod Bray wrote:
ABC News
Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:00 AEST
LOCAL NEWS : Queensland
Beattie pushes ahead with
Pearson plan
Queensland Premier Peter Beattie has set up
what he calls a "rapid response mechanism"
Hi Julia,
As I've explained to Cherie Jones, it is Maggie Kavanagh the emails
are being sent to. At least that is what I thought. I have changed to her personal
address so the emails
shouldn't go astray after this.
I'm sorry if they have inconvenienced you.
To answer your last question, I run a
The Sydney Morning Herald
Parting of the ways for unequal partners
Date: 03/11/99
Would a president have felt he had to sack Whitlam? asks Malcolm Fraser.
The republic model to be voted on next Saturday is safe, it preserves
the practical workings of our Constitution, it preserves our
Laurie,
There are many people who sincerely hold a different view from you and they hold many
varied viewpoints.
This does not make them John Howards. Calling them John Howards does not advance your
cause, even if
passionately held.
The hallmark of a democracy is that people are entitled to
The following letter is for distribution regarding the coming referendum
..
Dear Sir
The debate about the Republic, and ironically the preamble, has largeley
passed Aborigines by. Neither the 'Yes' nor the 'No' camps bothered to
come near Aborigines to talk about the implications of
Yes, I especially liked the way he went for the man rather than refute his statement
with reason.
Trudy
Glenn Murray wrote:
Nice of them to include some backup arguments there!
Glenn Murray
"I am a peanut"
-Original Message-
From: Trudy Bray [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:
It was also my understanding that the government doesn't have any property but is
merely administering in
for the Australian people, who, in fact, own it...
Trudy
Trudy and Rod Bray wrote:
This is the same man who said that the 10-point-plan did not contravene
the UN charter on Human Rights
Ian Henderson wrote:
Friends,
The only way that Aboriginal Peoples could be affected by the proposed
constitutional amendments is if access to that residual British legislation,
such as George 3 original proclamation, or the law mandating the Australian
Constitution and any provisions
SMH
Stay in Touch: Our number's up
Date: 04/11/99
Forget Newspoll, Nielsen and the rest of the soothsayers, insights into
the Australian psyche and future vis-a-vis the republic referendum
have been provided exclusively to SIT by Ms Shashi Bala Niga, a
"scientific astrologer and horoscope
tdunlop wrote:
No, I'm afraid not.
Ah, well. I guess we can have all the arguments again at the next
referendum - if I'm not too arthritic to type by then ;-)
Well, it's not stopping me, so you have nothing to worry about. ;-)
Did you happen to see Lateline either last night or today?
tdunlop wrote:
Maybe enough of all those
republicans out there will find it just too hard to vote for the Queen
once
they're in the booth? We'll see I guess
If that was the problem then the result would be different. Most are not
voting 'for' the Queen but against
the model...
Peter McGrath wrote:
Hi Trudy
Doesn't all this remind you of a magicians sleight of hand. The name of the game
appears to be misdirection. I am wondering what we are going to find out about after
all this furor is over.
I think we'll be in for a few surprises. I have visions of the ship
tdunlop wrote:
Ah, but the net effect is that the Queen (and Howard and her other
supporters) win. Really can't see them letting go of their victory
lightly
(or quickly).
Wasn't it the 'yes' side who discounted 'in effect' when Howard used it?
Can't have it both ways...
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