Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Monday, June 04, 2012 01:26:01 Kevin Kofler wrote: On Monday 04 June 2012, Albert Astals Cid wrote: It's not about hurting or not (that it does, see how Martin got confused and probably lost time wondering how something like that could be happening). Oh, and what Martin actually got

Re: nepomuk-core needs unreleased Soprano

2012-06-04 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Sunday, June 3, 2012 11:47:02 Harry Miller wrote: The number of developers who need to be hit by a bus for the project to be destroyed. 1 means there's a single point of failure (you), i.e., whenever you aren't available for whatever reason (such as the past few days), everything

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday, June 4, 2012 00:52:47 Albert Astals Cid wrote: Bad: * We lose some of the storm since we are late to our own release :D we've also had situations in the past where tarballs have been made, a critical problem uncovered, fixes made, a re-roll happens ... and hopefully no users have

Re: nepomuk-core needs unreleased Soprano

2012-06-04 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday, June 4, 2012 11:18:08 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: do with blame or responsibility, but rather ensuring that there are enough e.. i meant to write blame or scapegoating :) -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
On Monday 04 June 2012, Sebastian Kügler wrote: That means that people report bugs against different incarnations of the same packages, which makes bugs hard to find -- it doesn't work as we can't verify the exact state of the code a bug is filed against. That almost never makes a difference

Re: Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 04 June 2012 10:52:13 you wrote: On Sunday, June 03, 2012 20:46:56 Martin Gräßlin wrote: I don't want to blame anyone (that's why I did not name the distros). Well, it's a specific distro pushing out packages too early to its users (and in this case, a group that doesn't understand

Re: Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 04 June 2012 15:18:11 Kevin Kofler wrote: On Monday 04 June 2012, Sebastian Kügler wrote: That means that people report bugs against different incarnations of the same packages, which makes bugs hard to find -- it doesn't work as we can't verify the exact state of the code a bug

Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Friedrich W. H. Kossebau
Am Montag, 4. Juni 2012, 18:01:29 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: On Monday 04 June 2012 15:18:11 Kevin Kofler wrote: On Monday 04 June 2012, Sebastian Kügler wrote: That means that people report bugs against different incarnations of the same packages, which makes bugs hard to find -- it doesn't

Re: Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 04 June 2012 18:34:40 Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote: This issue is even a bigger problem if your fellow developers compile your code from scratch and then file a bug by version Compiled from sources. Should happen much more often, no? :) quite the opposite. Most users who actually

4.8.80 is out

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
Good job everyone! If you want to be added to http://kde.org/info/4.8.80.php#binary send the releast team list patches for http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/www/info/binary-4.8.80.inc?view=log Cheers, Albert ___ release-team mailing list

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Manuel Tortosa
El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 22:33:55, Will Stephenson va escriure: Most distros are offering packaged git snapshots perfectly legitimately anyway. I think these rules are an overreaction to Martin's complaint about the beta1 announce and undo, and would write that off as an

Re: KDE SC 4.8.5??

2012-06-04 Thread Dirk Müller
On Monday 28 May 2012, Allen Winter wrote: Is anyone strongly in favor of KDE SC 4.8.5? Hi, not necessarily in favor, but in case there are urgent issues we might be reconsidering it. IMHO we should revisit the topic in 2 months and then decide if it is worth it. With other words, we

Re: Re: Request for delaying 4.8.4 request

2012-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
On Monday 04 June 2012, Alex Fiestas wrote: Not including this patch will mean not having fstab support until 4.9 (since we won't have 4.8.5). Why aren't we doing .5 releases anymore? Those .5 releases have always been welcome when they were done (which went back and forth). I also don't see

Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 01:26:01, Kevin Kofler va escriure: On Monday 04 June 2012, Albert Astals Cid wrote: It's not about hurting or not (that it does, see how Martin got confused and probably lost time wondering how something like that could be happening). Oh, and what

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 00:11:32, Scott Kitterman va escriure: Sorry for breaking threading. I wasn't subscribed when this was sent, so I had to copy/paste from the web archive. On Monday, June 04, 2012 00:52:47 Albert Astals Cid wrote: My proposal:

Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 06:31:56, Martin Gräßlin va escriure: On Monday 04 June 2012 01:26:01 Kevin Kofler wrote: On Monday 04 June 2012, Albert Astals Cid wrote: It's not about hurting or not (that it does, see how Martin got confused and probably lost time wondering how

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 22:33:55, Will Stephenson va escriure: On Sunday 03 Jun 2012 22:28:31 Michael Pyne wrote: I like to view it as we have specific points-of-contact within the various distributions who have agreed to interact directly with us, the KDE developers and

Re: Missing french documentation for kstars in 4.8.3/4.8.4

2012-06-04 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 23:17:25, Philip Muskovac va escriure: Hi, Hi we just got pointed to the fact that in the 4.8.3 release the french kstars documentation was removed [1]. That was done in svn rev 1292134 as it doesn't seem to build anymore. While we appreciate that

Re: RFC: Conditions of early access to unreleased

2012-06-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, June 05, 2012 12:56:36 AM Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dilluns, 4 de juny de 2012, a les 00:11:32, Scott Kitterman va escriure: Sorry for breaking threading. I wasn't subscribed when this was sent, so I had to copy/paste from the web archive. On Monday, June 04, 2012