RE: Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-18 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Setting aside Smith's exception for Sherbert, and setting aside the argument that South Carolina law's protection of Sunday observers discriminated against Saturday observers, I would agree with the dissent in Sherbert. That unemployment compensation law has a good cause

Re: Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-15 Thread Marci Hamilton
A side note on some of the discussion --As someone who was clerking at the Court the Term that Smith was decided, I find it jarring to hear law professors talk about Smith as though only one Justice either wrote it or voted for it. That is not how cases are decided or majorities reached

Re: Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-15 Thread Steven Jamar
Of course you are correct, Marci, but still one must concede that certain rhetoric is clearly Scalian and the author of an opinion matters. In this instance, one has the addition of the opinions in Hiahleah to make the Smith opinion not as much a collective work as one might otherwise consider it

RE: Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-15 Thread Christopher Lund
Well, you know what comes next-Lukumi, if Hialeah says you have to have good cause to kill an animal? I understand Eugene's line-drawing concerns and I share them. I agree that Newark is somewhat unprincipled and that it would be hard to get the Supreme Court to accept its logic. But I go

RE: Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-15 Thread Christopher Lund
Thanks, Eugene, for the thoughtful email. A couple short responses before I run out the door. First, not all secular killings were permitted in Lukumi. My understanding is that they enforced the ban on cockfighting and the ban on training greyhounds with rabbits. (There was actually an

RE: Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-15 Thread Scarberry, Mark
Paul rightly asks us to consider more than just formalism. History is important, and I think the concern about freedom of the church goes back at least to Pope Gregory (?) in the 11th (?) Century. Cf. Antigone. I've suggested elsewhere that a historical approach to what constitutes free

RE: Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Mark: A few hypotheticals: (1) Say that a state provides that adequate provocation makes killing manslaughter rather than murder, and that a particular set of behaviors - having sex with the defendant's spouse, having just beaten a defendant (but in a situation where the

RE: Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
No, I think it's mistaken, and likewise with the more recent steel wheels case, Mitchell County v. Zimmerman (Iowa Feb. 3, 2012), http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9939422895334605795 . The conclusion that a public employer's provision of medical exemptions should

Re: Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-15 Thread Steven Jamar
I agree with Eugene?! Wow! :) Law of general applicability was again Scalia shooting from the hip, as he makes quite clear in his concurrence in Hialeah. It could mean, in theory, any number of things including: 1. Any exception for any reason makes it not general (self defense for murder is

RE: Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-15 Thread Christopher Lund
Similar question: Eugene, how would you today decide Sherbert v. Verner, with its good cause requirement? From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Scarberry, Mark Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:32 PM To: Law Religion issues for

RE: Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-15 Thread Scarberry, Mark
Eugene, I will try to respond to your hypos later today, but here is a non-hypothetical question: Do you think Fraternal Order of Police v. Newark was correctly decided? Best, Mark From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh,

RE: Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-15 Thread Christopher Lund
I agree with you that general applicability may end up slipping us back toward a motive inquiry. The cockfighting and the greyhounds I remember from Hialeah’s brief—but I’m sorry about misleading on the greyhound point. From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu

Laws with exceptions as triggering strict scrutiny -- and as failing strict scrutiny because of their underinclusiveness?

2012-02-14 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I'm with Jim in what I see as his skepticism as to the suggestion that exceptions from a law make it not of general applicability for Free Exercise Clause purposes. (I realize that some post-Smith cases take this view, but I think they are mistaken.) A vast range of laws,