Re: Can a murderer ever be redeemed?

2005-12-13 Thread Alan Armstrong
When I think of a criminal being redeemed, I think of the thief on the cross who said that We are getting the just rewards for our deeds. I believe that St Augustine of Hippo did not want to execute heretics, but wanted to give them an opportunity to turn from their wicked ways. If a person is

Re: Can a murderer ever be redeemed?

2005-12-13 Thread AAsch
In a message dated 12/12/2005 8:40:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does that mean that it is illegitimate to base one's opposition tocapital punishment on it (or, for that matter, a literal, albeitdebatable, reading of "Thou Shalt Not Kill"), or, conversely,

RE: Can a murderer ever be redeemed?

2005-12-13 Thread Volokh, Eugene
PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Can a murderer ever be redeemed? I can understand Eugene's point, but let me try this response: We spend a lot of time arguing about the extent to which explicitly theological notions should be allowed to play a part

Re: Can a murderer ever be redeemed?

2005-12-13 Thread JMHACLJ
In a message dated 12/13/2005 1:20:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yet surely the answer is that it's perfectly legitimate forpeople to base either their support or opposition to capital punishmenton religious justifications, just as it's legitimate for

Re: Can a murderer ever be redeemed?

2005-12-13 Thread David E. Guinn
- Original Message - From: Sanford Levinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: Can a murderer ever be redeemed? A friendly amendment to Eugene's question is whether anyone

Re: Can a murderer ever be redeemed?

2005-12-12 Thread JMHACLJ
I have no certainty about guilt or innocence in this particular case.In any event, the real problem for me is trusting in a judicial system that concludes that blacks are chattel property, that Native Americans are not persons, and that children before birth are not endowed with the natural

RE: Can a murderer ever be redeemed?

2005-12-12 Thread Sanford Levinson
religious principles.) sandy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:19 PMTo: religionlaw@lists.ucla.eduSubject: Re: Can a murderer ever be redeemed? I have no certainty about guilt or innocence in this particular

RE: Can a murderer ever be redeemed?

2005-12-12 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Folks: This is an interesting question, but it seems to me that on this list we ought to discuss it only to the extent that it touches on the law of government and religion. (What religious people should think about death penalty law wouldn't, I think, quite qualify.) Eugene