religious indoctrination

2004-06-02 Thread Pybas, Kevin M
I have a question about the Supreme Courts use of the word indoctrination or indoctrinate in establishment clause cases. On the one hand, the word often seems to be used in a pejorative sense, as in Justice Douglass concurring opinion in Lemon v. Kurtzman where he approvingly cites an

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-02 Thread Francis Beckwith
Robin: I actually don't disagree with you in principle. But what I was doing was just speculating on what sort of tactic could be used to say that an apparent neutral law really did target a religion. Frank On 6/2/04 10:50 AM, Robin Charlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know we've had related

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-02 Thread Francis Beckwith
Title: Re: Religion Clauses question Paul: I dont see it as a matter of like or dislike; in fact, I think that this mischaracterizes peoples objection to homosexuality. Clearly, some people dont like Christians and Jews, but that doesnt mean that one may not have arguments against the veracity

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-02 Thread Paul Finkelman
Mr. Beckwith: It is hard to imagine how one can treat someone with respect and at the same time believe that such a person is not entitled to the same rights that you have. Quite frankly, your position reminds me of those southern whites who treated blacks with respect while segregating them,

Re: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-02 Thread Francis Beckwith
On 6/2/04 10:52 PM, Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Beckwith: It is hard to imagine how one can treat someone with respect and at the same time believe that such a person is not entitled to the same rights that you have. Yes, it is hard to imagine that I would hold that belief,

RE: Religion Clauses question

2004-06-02 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Now this I don't understand: It seems to me that slavery is by definition *involuntary* servitude. One might debate about what the proper scope of consent should be (e.g., should someone be able to consentually surrender at one time the right to withdraw his consent in the future). But to be