RE: Required to stand for the Pledge?

2004-09-11 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Steve Smith's article Barnette's Big Blunder (78 Chi.-Kent L. Rev. 625 (2003)) directly addresses this question and argues pretty convincingly, as I remember, that the passage quoted below is misguided if it is read precisely as written. The government decide[s] what shall be orthodox in

RE: Required to stand for the Pledge?

2004-09-11 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 9/11/2004 2:09:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The government "decide[s] what shall be orthodox inpolitics" all the time, in the sense of advancing policies and attempting toconvince the public that they are right. Although, I haven't

Establishing orthodoxy

2004-09-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Title: Message This is of course a judgment call, but my sense is that many public condemnations of racism are indeed attempts to establish racial tolerance as "canonical belief that is not subject to challenge" (at least by reasonable, decent people who are good Americans). The same is

Re: Establishing orthodoxy

2004-09-11 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 9/11/2004 11:22:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yet it seems to me that government statements -- whether by the President, by Congress, by a university dean, by a government employer, by a public K-12 school, or whoever else -- harshly

Re: Establishing orthodoxy

2004-09-11 Thread dlaycock
Maybe Steve Smith is right that the conjunction in the famous sentence in Barnette should have been "and." Or maybe Justice Jackson thought "prescribe" carried a sense of "require adherence to." But it is clear that what he meant was that the state could not require participation in the

RE: Required to stand for the Pledge?

2004-09-11 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
I guess that Eugene has already offered my response to Professor Lipkin. It seems to me that there are many instances in which the government or government officials advocate political views with great force and suggest that those who disagree are fundamentally misguided, or missing the basic

RE: Establishing orthodoxy

2004-09-11 Thread Berg, Thomas C.
Right, my mistake -- the word in the first part of the Barnette sentence is not declare, but prescribe, which can suggest the government forbidding criticism of the view. More so when put together with orthodox in the sentence, as Professor Lipkin argues; so I take his point on that score. I do