Re: New Pledge of Allegiance Case, and precential effect of Ninth Cir cuit's earlier Newdow decision

2005-09-15 Thread Stuart BUCK
The quick answer that comes to mind: Because courts have no authority to issue holdings apart from judgments in the first place. That is, federal courts can't issue advisory opinions apart from a genuine case or controversy under Article III. From: Marty Lederman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New Pledge of Allegiance Case, and precential effect of Ninth Cir cuit's earlier Newdow decision

2005-09-15 Thread marty . lederman
Yes, of course. But in that case -- and in light of the fact that the *judgment* is not binding on future litigants, or on future courts -- what is it, exactly, that makes a holding, or opinion, binding on district courts and future panels, in the first place? The quick answer that comes

Re: New Pledge of Allegiance Case, and precential effect of Ninth Cir cuit's earlier Newdow decision

2005-09-15 Thread David E. Guinn
It seems to me the thing that distinguishes a holding from an advisory opinion is that the holding results from a competently litigated case. By reversing the judgment on the grounds that Newdown lacked standing, the SC was also asserting that the case was not competently litigated -- i.e.

Re: New Pledge of Allegiance Case, and precential effect of Ninth Cir cuit's earlier Newdow decision

2005-09-15 Thread Stuart BUCK
1. A court of appeals decision is binding on a district court because lower courts have to follow higher courts. If there's any discretion as to the scope of that rule, the discretion would lie not with the lower courts but somewhere else (i.e., the appeals court's own rules as to precedent,

Re: New Pledge of Allegiance Case, and precential effect of Ninth Cir cuit's earlier Newdow decision

2005-09-15 Thread A.E. Brownstein
Marty makes an excellent point that the pledge case can be distinguished from McCreary County and many other Establishment Clause cases because it deals with religion in the public schools. Footnote 22 may not only have been unnecessary, however, it is unfortunate for another reason.

Re: 6th Cir. and RLUIPA

2005-09-15 Thread Susanna Peters
This is also having an immediate impact on the prisoner litigation out there in the Sixth Circuit. In Jenkins v. Martin, a case involving a religious group called the Melanics (an offshoot Islamic group), the Melanics have been attempting to use RLUIPA challenge the fact that they were banned

RE: 6th Cir. and RLUIPA

2005-09-15 Thread Anthony Picarello
There is definitely cause for concern in the 6th Circuit, but I wouldn't worry about it as much in other jurisdictions. This is, after all, the Circuit that went out on a limb to strike down RLUIPA on an Establishment Cls theory that had been uniformly rejected by appellate courts (as against

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2005-09-15 Thread rv
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New Pledge of Allegiance Case -- What Does Binding Mean, Anyway?

2005-09-15 Thread Marty Lederman
1. My understanding (although this could be mistaken) is that there was a case or controversy in Newdow -- the only thing missing was "prudential" standing. 2. In any event, even if it were later determined that there had been no case or controversy, I don't see why it would follow