RE: Transcript in case dismissed because plaintiff Muslim woman refused to unveil to testify

2006-12-19 Thread Christopher C. Lund
Well, let me ask you this: How does RFRA deal with these cases? With general applicability, we can begin with the rule and the exceptions therein. The plaintiff can't simply attack the rule -- he can't simply say the rule serves unimportant interests -- he can only instead suggest the rule's

RE: Transcript in case dismissed because plaintiff Muslim woman refused to unveil to testify

2006-12-18 Thread Christopher C. Lund
I think there is a real question as to whether the rule here is generally applicable. By allowing a witness who is more than 100 miles away to testify by written deposition, Michigan has made a value judgment -- whatever the value of demeanor evidence, it is not worth forcing witnesses to

RE: Transcript in case dismissed because plaintiff Muslim woman refused to unveil to testify

2006-12-18 Thread Douglas Laycock
Good point.  I would add that the burden on a devout Muslim woman to unveil is clearly greater than the burden of traveling 100 miles with modern transportation. Quoting Christopher C. Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think there is a real question as to whether the rule here is generally

Re: Transcript in case dismissed because plaintiff Muslim woman refused to unveil to testify

2006-12-18 Thread Steven Jamar
I don't see how this can be other than generally applicable. But it does expose the problems with generally applicable as a standard. Steve On Dec 18, 2006, at 4:31 PM, Christopher C. Lund wrote: I think there is a real question as to whether the rule here is generally applicable. By

RE: Transcript in case dismissed because plaintiff Muslim woman refused to unveil to testify

2006-12-18 Thread Christopher C. Lund
The check on all of these is that the religious claimant has to analogize his claim for exception to a preexisting secular exception. He or she has to convince the court that the secular exception already harms the rule more than the religious claim for exception would. A religious group

Re: Transcript in case dismissed because plaintiff Muslim woman refused to unveil to testify

2006-12-18 Thread Volokh, Eugene
So how would you handle a religious person who feels a religious duty to discriminate based on sex, and analogizes to the BFOQ exception, which lets people discriminate based on sex for privacy reasons, or for artistic verisimilitude reasons? My right to practice my religion, he'd say, is

Re: RE: Transcript in case dismissed because plaintiff Muslim woman refused to unveil to testify

2006-12-15 Thread Steven Jamar
I think a better alternative would be to listen to the testimony from the veiled plaintiff and then if the court decides that it can't judge her credibility adequately, then she fails to prove her case by failing to carry her burden. As a former litigator, I think for the most part demeanor was

Transcript in case dismissed because plaintiff Muslim woman refused to unveil to testify

2006-12-14 Thread Volokh, Eugene
This case was in the news in mid-October, but I just got a scanned version of the transcript, and I thought I'd pass it along. I have a PDF at http://volokh.com/files/ginnahmuhammad.pdf . Eugene Ginnah Muhammad d/b/a Sisters of Second Chance v. Enterprise Rent-A-Car, Small Claims Hearing