Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread Joe
I don't think that you have necessarily wasted your time, but you have severely limited your chances of decreasing lightning damage. It's like replacing 3 tires on your car that has 4 bad tires, you've bettered your odds but it is not the best fix. I have a site that the owner would throw me

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread Chuck Kelsey
OK, yes, you have severely limited your chances of being protected. I'd hazard a guess that it would be a fraction of a percent better than having no protection at all. Your condom has a hole in it ;-) Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net To:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread Joe
Better than a fraction of a percent protection. I've lost a couple of polyphasors in the years, but never had lightning damage. I'm a realist, everything isn't perfect all of the time. 73, Joe, K1ike On 8/18/2010 9:04 AM, Chuck Kelsey wrote: OK, yes, you have severely limited your chances

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread william474
Lightning protection is not simply a surge protector but a system of surge protectors, grounds and installation techniques that may reduce the effects of a nearby lightning event. And as Chuck says unless you install a lightning/grounding system the effect of a single device is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread wd8chl
On 8/17/2010 11:55 PM, Ray Brown wrote: What do you do when you want to install a small UHF linking repeater on a 4-story building that has no lightning protection on its' roof? (this is to link an ambulance at a hospital to its' base repeater 40 miles away) From what I've heard, it may

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread Tony KT9AC
Remember the objective is not to take the brunt of a lightning strike, but to drain off any static that would attract that strike. Lightning is just a spark looking to close the gap, and if your antenna is closer to DC ground, it will find something closer to its potential (i.e. static

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Radius GM600 HELP

2010-08-18 Thread petedcurtis
Hi, This is a European MPT1327 trunked radio. Needs a specific GM600 version of RSS to program it. I saw that the RSS seemed to be available on the web at some HAM sites. Do a web search for Motorola GM600 RSS, OK? Peter On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 7:03 AM, dxhunters dxhunt...@yahoo.com wrote:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Well, at least we can say you've lost some PolyPhasers in the process. Whether they've helped is anyone's guess. Yes, I've got some equipment in different locations with what I feel less than adequate protection. My point was essentially making people aware that by simply putting a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread Bill Smith
The building has a steel support structure, I'm sure. You will need to bond to that as a start. Bill From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 11:30:03 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread wd8chl
On 8/18/2010 11:46 AM, Bill Smith wrote: The building has a steel support structure, I'm sure. You will need to bond to that as a start. Bill An even better choice, yes. You should be able to clean off a spot and clamp to an I-beam. Make sure you get down to bare metal under the clamp.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread petedcurtis
You might like to look at the latest Motorola R56 Installation standards manual. It's very comprehensive. Has good section on grounding and protective devices. Yes, a good grounding system and a full lightning and surge protection of an RF site doesn't come cheap. But if you live in Florida the

[Repeater-Builder] Celwave CC460-A circulator

2010-08-18 Thread cruizzer77
Does anyone have a datasheet or tuning instructions for this kind of circulator? It's a single stage with 3 adjustment screws and right now the sticker says it's on 420 MHz and I would like to know how I get a working range from 430 to 440 MHz. If somebody can explain without the doc this is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Celwave CC460-A circulator

2010-08-18 Thread petedcurtis
Hi, Harold Kinley wrote an excellent article in MRT magazine a few years ago on aligning circulators. Maybe they still have re-prints. I have old contact details for Harold Kinley taken from MRT magazine. See below. You should also buy his *Standard Radio Communications Manual, with

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Celwave CC460-A circulator

2010-08-18 Thread cruizzer77
That book does indeed look interesting, but I wasn't able to find anything out about that article, unfortunately.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Celwave CC460-A circulator

2010-08-18 Thread Sid
Don't know about that circulator, but many have a narrow tuning range without going back to the factory for modifications. Sid. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, cruizzer77 atlant...@... wrote: That book does indeed look interesting, but I wasn't able to find anything out about

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Celwave CC460-A circulator

2010-08-18 Thread Glenn (Butch) Kanvick
Hello Martin Have you contacted Celwave to see if the have tuning specs usually for these. I am not sure if you will get it up to 440 or not. I was told that they are pretty narrowband, but I might be wrong. YMMV Butch, KE7FEL/r On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:18 PM, cruizzer77 atlant...@gmx.ch

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread Gary Schafer
Here is a little primer on lightning: Having your antenna grounded does not drain off any charge that helps prevent a strike. As a matter of fact grounding the antenna makes it slightly more prone to a strike but not grounding it is much worse as you have no control over what path the energy

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread Chuck Kelsey
And to not create (or leave) a path for current flow to destroy equipment. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Gary Schafer To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question Here is a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread petedcurtis
I agree totally with Gary. Common grounding point is essential to avoid voltage differences between equipment during a strike. When you get a strike the grounding point will rise, so you want to make sure everything that is grounded goes up together. As the leading edges of the voltages strikes

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-18 Thread n5qs
This is taken from a Wacom tuning guide please excuse any typos Roger CABLE LENGTH BETWEEN TRANSMITTER AND DUPLEXER The length of the coaxial cable between the transmitter and the duplexer might be a critical length with some transmitters because of an impedance mismatch. A mismatch condition

[Repeater-Builder] Some commercial mobile radios for sale

2010-08-18 Thread James Adkins
Hello everyone, I have a couple of radios for sale, time to make some changes in my van :-) I've seen some people using the DR-235 220 MHz and the Motorola GTX 900 MHz radios for repeater exciter or receive radios (1) Kenwood TK-790 Mobile radio; 45w 2-meter mobile - I program at no charge if

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread n5sxq.0
Michael Ryan mryan...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I notice when looking at the Polyphaser website, there are a wide range of products, even a wide variety of items that on the surface appear to be suited to my particular needs. I want to put a Polyphaser on my 220 repeater. There are

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread Michael Ryan
become a satisfied customer. Jeff N5sxq __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5377 (20100818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length, etc.

2010-08-18 Thread allan crites
There is no way that impedance matching can be accomplished with changing the length of the transmission line in a 50 ohm system when the transmission line used is also of the same characteristic impedance without a compensating shunt XC or XL stub, at a location determined on a Smith Chart

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Polyphaser Question

2010-08-18 Thread Tim
This has been a very interesting thread to watch, and most of the installations that I've done have been 'add-ons' to existing well designed systems. On a different note, I'm now working on a solar powered system, and was wondering about the grounding there. Everything will be mounted on a