Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 3 minute timeout. FCC regulation or myth

2007-05-03 Thread Jim B.
Bill Powell wrote: (b) Provisions are incorporated to limit transmission by the station to a period of no more than 3 minutes in the event of malfunction in the control link. snip Nothing about timeout though. The 3-minute timeout timer is the accepted means of accomplishing the above. It

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Controller SSC 836AA (SSC aka Solid State Communications).

2007-05-02 Thread Jim B.
skipp025 wrote: Hi Jim, I don't remember seeing the book/manual yet... Anything anyone sends me gets scanned into pdf files and is made available to anyone for free. Scom Bob sent me the Repco vhf and uhf manuals and I've already sent complete manual scans to Mike (and back to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

2007-05-01 Thread Jim B.
Nate Duehr wrote: There's a number of decent options out there along those lines. People have been discussing Cresend with reasonably favorable comments, lately here -- for one example. I've seen a few analog public safety systems that are Kenwood's driving Crescend and/or Vocom (they

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

2007-05-01 Thread Jim B.
Paul Finch wrote: I just completed a crossband repeater for a balloon launch built out of Johnson's old HT line of radios. Weighs 10 ounces without batteries, the controller adds about 2 I think. Paul WB5IDM 587/589's? I remember them! I remember one customer that had a fleet of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

2007-05-01 Thread Jim B.
Tim S wrote: I've been asked to help spec out the new equipment and I've been stuck in a radio time warp for the last 12 years maintaining these Master II's. So I'm just looking for some direct experience with the new stuff as far as reliability and serviceability as well. It's been

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Controller SSC 836AA

2007-05-01 Thread Jim B.
anpap wrote: Yes, the controller is in the Tait station. You may be right, it could be a Tone Remote board or something similar. Any idea where I can find more infromation about it? cheers, Andreas - 5B8AP It doesn't appear so. The name of the company was Solid-State

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Controller SSC 836AA (SSC aka Solid State Communications).

2007-05-01 Thread Jim B.
skipp025 wrote: Funny you should mention the tone remote stuff... I just scanned the SSC 831y tone remote manual into pdf and it's free to anyone by simply contacting me direct (not through the group) for a copy. BTW-did you get the ST-822 book OK? I expect to get those boxed and out the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New repeater Motorola or MA/COM

2007-04-30 Thread Jim B.
N9WYS wrote: Tim, Now THAT'S a loaded question. hehehehe Be prepared - now you'll get responses from Motorola fans, GE/Ericsson/MA-Com/Tyco fans, Kenwood, et al. So now it becomes a question of: new vs. old equipment; what purpose of usage (commercial vs. ham); etc. Ad Nauseum Mark -

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeating D-Star

2007-04-26 Thread Jim B.
mch wrote: So, it looks like even non-open standards may be used now - INCLUDING ENCRYPTION! That used to be specifically prohibited. Joe M. non-open standards have always been legal. The point is whether you need a special code or other key to receive it, ie, can the FCC pick up a radio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeating D-Star

2007-04-26 Thread Jim B.
Steven Samuel Bosshard (NU5D) wrote: I remember once upon a time a couple of hams were running RTTY on 2M using a non-ascii code. Back then the take was that as long as both parties kept a record of the coding being used and had same readily available for inspection in their station records

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitors with D-Star

2007-04-25 Thread Jim B.
Bryon Jeffers K0BSJ wrote: Too many acronyms... Bryon Jeffers KØBSJ Rgr that! ;cD -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeating D-Star

2007-04-25 Thread Jim B.
Steve Bosshard (NU5D) wrote: Until P25 radios become ham affordable I don't think they will be mainstream ham radio. I believe there is still a pretty hefty payment to Moto for use of the P25 standard, but I may be wrong. Steve NU5D Hi, Steve, I think you're right, but I don't see that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeating D-Star

2007-04-25 Thread Jim B.
Bob Dengler wrote: At 4/24/2007 05:17 PM, you wrote: I don't know. Like any other radio gear it depends on the brand, model, and how badly the seller wants to sell I guess. Motorola isn't the only maker offering P25 digital audio capable radios (we'll assume CAI/IMBE compatible). Icom,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Controller SSC 836AA

2007-04-25 Thread Jim B.
anpap wrote: Hello all, Does anyone have a manual or information on an SSC 836AA repeater controller? It also has the following on the PCB: T-A2-1761-4 if it makes any difference... Was this in the Tait station you mentioned? I ask because I think this is not a repeater controller, but a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeating D-Star

2007-04-25 Thread Jim B.
mch wrote: Wrong. If it's not an open protocol, it's not legal in the ham band. If AOR's is not an open standard, it too would not be legal. The fact that a unit only works with other like units does not matter. After all, D-Star only talks with D-Star, and P25 with P25. Joe M. So

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitors with D-Star

2007-04-24 Thread Jim B.
Bryon Jeffers K0BSJ wrote: Well I will agree with Nate on this one.. The crazy D-Star will only do it's AMBE digital and will not pass analog voice... At least when using a Quantar/Quantro with P25 capability you can set it up with CAI (Clear Air Interface)/P25 IMBE and it will do either

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitors with D-Star

2007-04-24 Thread Jim B.
James wrote: Bryon Jeffers K0BSJ wrote: Well I will agree with Nate on this one.. The crazy D-Star will only do it's AMBE digital and will not pass analog voice... At least when using a Quantar/Quantro with P25 capability you can set it up with CAI (Clear Air Interface)/P25 IMBE and it will

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Digital repeater allocations, was Service Monitors with D-Star

2007-04-24 Thread Jim B.
Nate Duehr wrote: Not trying to be a spoil-sport, but since Mototrbo isn't a documented public protocol doesn't it fall under the encrypted transmission rules, and wouldn't be allowed in the Amateur bands? No, because any Mototrbo radio can talk to any other Mototrbo radio set for the same

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communications

2007-04-24 Thread Jim B.
nn6j wrote: Does anyone know about Spectrum Communications? I ordered a receiver from them over two months ago and have not received it as yet. I call almost every day to find out the status of the shipment and get nobody to answer the phone. I leave a message every time I call for Kevin

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitors

2007-04-23 Thread Jim B.
Jack Taylor wrote: Along with a custom built repeater project, how about a custom built basic service monitor? The $1500 and up used/new service monitors are a necessity for those in the business but for those who only have a need to tune an occasional radio, a less expensive tool would be

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitors

2007-04-23 Thread Jim B.
Steve Bosshard (NU5D) wrote: Cheep Service Monitor - Take a receiver and an oscilloscope and calibrate the scope to measure transmitter deviation. Then use an inexpensive frequency counter. For receiver testing find a surplus generator and use it with the counter and home made deviation

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitors with D-Star

2007-04-23 Thread Jim B.
skipp025 wrote: Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how are people testing/working on their D-Star systems? I can't think of a single SM that knows how to do bit-error rates and/or other AMBE vocoder functions. The fudge answer is... most people just connect the equipment and press

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Linking question

2007-04-20 Thread Jim B.
William Delbert Ellis wrote: Howdy, New to this group today. I am the control operator for two of our ham club repeaters. A 2m Motorola and 70cm Motorola. We had them next to each other hard wired linked with antennas on a very tall commercial tower in Austin. The UHF antenna was turned to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Cell Phone Yagi

2007-04-20 Thread Jim B.
Eric Lemmon wrote: I have installed and/or specified several repeater systems at my work, which has many buildings that are Butler-type, completely metal with very few perimeter windows. A six-element Yagi antenna is on the roof, pointing to one of several cell sites. A BDA (Bi-Directional

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Cell Phone Yagi

2007-04-20 Thread Jim B.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/20/2007 6:17:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Beware!!! It is a violation of FCC rules to install and operate a BDA without the permission of the licensee, and this includes cellular! Many illegally and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Linking question

2007-04-20 Thread Jim B.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sky Command does not do any control on 2 meters. This aspect of the rules has not changed. What did change is that an auxiliary link can now be used on 2 meters. This makes it possible to link into a 2 meter repeater in-band without violating the rules. I think that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Linking question

2007-04-20 Thread Jim B.
Nate Duehr wrote: On 4/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sky Command does not do any control on 2 meters. This aspect of the rules has not changed. What did change is that an auxiliary link can now be used on 2 meters. This makes it possible to link into a 2 meter repeater

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Opening Salvo

2007-04-16 Thread Jim B.
KD5SFA wrote: 'retuned as receiver'..may be that it is tuned elsewhere and it was just a radio laying around to be used as a inexpensive receiver...by no means does it imply it is being used on FRS frequencies. Jon Yes it does. There are no mods for FRS radios to put them anywhere other

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Opening Salvo Poor Mans Repeater Project

2007-04-16 Thread Jim B.
Paul M Schmitter wrote: Running it on GMRS. The way I read the rules, a GMRS repeater can be 50 watts. The frequency of a FRS radio can be adjusted slightly to fall into the GMRS frequecies and since it's only for receive there is no type acceptance issue. Ok-but I don't know how you did

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rethinking the Possible poll question

2007-04-16 Thread Jim B.
Bob Linda Smith wrote: Dear Chuck and everyone else who gave valuable suggestions, It looks like I, and the club, need to rethink this question. I am very impressed with some of the new equipment out there and was thinking our radio is a bit outdated. Also, I was thinking of the space

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Opening Salvo Poor Mans Repeater Project

2007-04-16 Thread Jim B.
rtoplus wrote: My only response on this topic since Kevin doesn't allow rules discussions. GMRS is allowed up to 50 watts TPO unless you are operating a small base station, then the 15 watt rule comes into play. A small base station operates at 5ppm minimum frequency tolerance and a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Opening Salvo Poor Mans Repeater Project

2007-04-16 Thread Jim B.
Paul M Schmitter wrote: Ooops. Re-read the rules. It's 15 watts for a fixed station as long as it's not within 50 miles of Canada. --- Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to mention that even with a GMRS license, power is limited to 5W max? -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Not for FRS freqs

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Midland WR-100 Weather Receiver w/S.A.M.E. Decoder Interface HOWTO

2007-04-13 Thread Jim B.
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Looks like I better program in some way to keep the weather receiver from hanging my repeater TOT for hours and hours... BTW-I determined that the Midland WX radio I have is a WR-300. To rehash, it does NOT support the 'turn-off code' in SAME, it just

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Zetron 38 vs. 38a

2007-04-13 Thread Jim B.
Bill Hudson wrote: Let me help you a little with this 38 vs. 38A thing. snip If you were talking to someone with a 38 on the repeater, and the other station answers (keys up) during the hang delay, the repeater passes the audio from the responding station, but drops out after the normal

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Opening Salvo Poor Mans Repeater Project

2007-04-13 Thread Jim B.
Paul M Schmitter wrote: I'm actually working on improving my poor man's repeater right now. Basically here's what I've been using during tests: Vertex FTL-7011 as transmitter Advanced research preamp Radio Shack FRS Cat # 21-1811 retuned as receiver(not very selective) You DO know that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Opening Salvo Poor Mans Repeater Project

2007-04-13 Thread Jim B.
Jay Urish wrote: playing devils advocate-- I don't recall seeing the frequencies that this repeater is running. How do you know what they are? Paul M Schmitter wrote: Radio Shack FRS Cat # 21-1811 retuned as receiver(not very selective) That tells me. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Opening Salvo Poor Mans Repeater Project

2007-04-13 Thread Jim B.
Jay Urish wrote: Jim.. That is an ASSumption. How do you know that that radio won't drop into the ham band? Because it's an FRS radio-channels are hard-coded into the controller. They are ALL like that. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Possible poll question

2007-04-13 Thread Jim B.
Jay Urish wrote: I think that was the thinking behind the DARC decision to replace the micor.. You cant go to the corner store and buy parts... I agree.. They are bullet proof as hell... Heh-you can't go to the corner store and buy parts for ANYTHING anymore... -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Poor Mans Repeater Project anyone?

2007-04-11 Thread Jim B.
skipp025 wrote: Re: Poor Mans Repeater Project anyone? Would some of you group members be interested in a Poor Mans Repeater Project as described below? Back in the 70's I breadboarded a VOX circuit that used a diode voltage doubler driving a big cap and a NPN transistor keying a small

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Moto Pulsar 120

2007-04-10 Thread Jim B.
nj902 wrote: The Pulsar mobile phone is not a 1969 product, they were produced from the late 1970's through the 1980's. That would be a Pulsar II. The first Pulsar goes back to the late 60's, and was made out of componentry from...I think a Mocom-30 or 35. The one you're thinking of was

Re: [Repeater-Builder] IWCE 6KHz Audio

2007-04-10 Thread Jim B.
skipp025 wrote: Re: 2007 IWCE Las Vegas So the big thing/buzz at the IWCE Las Vegas Convention is narrow bandwidth digital uhf radios. Both Motorola and Icom are trying to drive narrow bandwidth hype... both having working 6KHz radios demos. Nice idea until you pick up a pair and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Heath HW-24 Question

2007-04-10 Thread Jim B.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, you may be my last hope. I have an HW-24 talkie and need to change the encode/decode tone frequency. Most functions are pretty straight forward, but for the life of me I can't remember how to set the tone frequency. If you could enlighten me, I would sure

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Heath HW-24 Question

2007-04-10 Thread Jim B.
Mike Morris wrote: Would either of you two would like to contribute the info to the Standard page at www.repeater-builder.com ??? What would you want, Mike? About all I have is the basic op's, pretty much available anywhere I would think. And not very repeater-related... -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Midland 70-0375c Questions

2007-04-10 Thread Jim B.
achowalogen457 wrote: Gretings, I may be showing my inexperience, but has anyone ever used the Midland 70-0375c radios to build a repeater. I seem to find this model radio fairly common and it can be tuned to the 6m band. I'm just not sure that it would be a good choice for a repeater.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 UHF REPEATER PL TONE

2007-04-10 Thread Jim B.
Doug wrote: I have just about completed setting up the MSR2000 as per the article by K4HAL and WA6ILQ and it appears to work just great. I have to interface it to the 7k and Doug Hall interface and it will be ready to go. All the cabling is done. The only option cards left in are

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Moto Pulsar 120

2007-04-10 Thread Jim B.
That would be a Pulsar II. The first Pulsar goes back to the late 60's, and was made out of componentry from...I think a Mocom-30 or 35. The one you're thinking of was built from a Mocom-70, and the early version of that, plus the first one were not synthesized, but crystal-plex-two or

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Multiple Emails

2007-04-10 Thread Jim B.
I like how so many people did such a great job of exacerbating the problem exponentially by continuing to post instead of shutting up until the problem was fixed. Almost as bad as the people who hear the repeater go into battery backup, and spend an hour or two talking about it instead of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Controller Recommendations

2007-03-23 Thread Jim B.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question for the gurus: I am tuning up and donating an E.F. Johnson CR1100 repeater to the local Ham Club. They have asked me to install a talking, chirping, beeping type repeater controller (which they have offered to buy). I work with basic repeater, one each type

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR feedline revisited and revised!

2007-03-23 Thread Jim B.
Ken Arck wrote: At 08:25 AM 3/23/2007, you wrote: Going back into history... I'm told the original RCA style connector is one of the better early rf connectors. Heathkit used to drive hams crazy with it... but it is/was the better animal. ---Everyone from Motorola to GE to Marconi used

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-19 Thread Jim B.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, these things need not triple or even double the price of a new radio, as some have suggested. An extra pot for CTCSS deviation, decent CTCSS decoders, higher IP3 front-end amps mixer more front-end filtering would probably add $50-$100 to the cost of the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-750 P/A Failures

2007-03-19 Thread Jim B.
Gareth Bennett wrote: Interestingly we replaced the -750 with a Vertex VXR-9000 repeater and commissioning tests revealed about 3 dB better sensitivity than the 750's for 12dB Sinad. Hmmm-you might check effective sensitivity with the antenna connected, etc, and see what you get. --- Jim

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr III

2007-03-16 Thread Jim B.
Fred Flowers wrote: Eric, I understand all that. Any of them will have the shelf, the TX RX, system module. Beggars can't be choosers. I can get started with about anything. Fred They're not all the same. There have been several different tx and rx synth modules especially, and the LBI

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-16 Thread Jim B.
mch wrote: OK. Let me approach this from another angle. What is the deviation on your system that is not the standard 5.0 kHz or so (running 16K0F3E)? Joe M. Deviation has nothing to do with it. He was talking about the minimum channel step resolution, which is a function of the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur Radio Grade Equipment

2007-03-16 Thread Jim B.
Oh, and one last comment, most every Amateur Radio potable is unable to do split Tone PL's. One Tone PL for TX and another Tone PL for RX. I don't know why that is so. It would just take a little extra code writing, but what do we expect, It's Amateur Radio Grade Equipment. Paul

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-16 Thread Jim B.
James wrote: Yes, thank you Jim .. I did say channel steps not spacing. 2.5 Khz channel step tends to go with 12.5 KHz channel spacing. 7.5 Khz is a form of ultra narrow that I have yet to use for anything. James If you do anything in the commercial spectrum from about 150 to 175 Mhz,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Flat Audio

2007-03-15 Thread Jim B.
Most times when we hear or read about the term flat audio... our attention is normally directed toward the demodulated audio sections of the repeater hardware. Or at least our attention should normally be directed at the demodulated audio stages. When you look at the global repeater

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: fixed-audio?

2007-03-15 Thread Jim B.
Nate Duehr wrote: A... We haven't had a good What kind of audio is it REALLY mini-debate on the list in quite a while... good to see it again... heh. I agree with Bob that people keep mixing the term flat with discriminator and that's just downright confusing to new folks. Some of us

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: fixed-audio?

2007-03-15 Thread Jim B.
Nate Duehr wrote: Sure would be nice to see ARRL labs do a shootout of repeater controllers with tests like this one... they spend days and days (and page after page) testing out $10,000 HF rigs... And people wonder why I don't join... If I could afford to blow $10K on an HF pos rig, I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-15 Thread Jim B.
Eric Lemmon wrote: Nate, Several years ago, I chastised ARRL Labs for failing to report the basic 2-way radio performance parameters of 12dB SINAD sensitivity, voice deviation limit, CTCSS deviation limit, and center frequency accuracy. I did not get a satisfactory answer, but I suspect

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Flat Audio

2007-03-15 Thread Jim B.
skipp025 wrote: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the real world, if someone's radio sounds crappy, it needs fixed by someone or the radio will get a (well deserved) reputation as a POS and people need to know to not buy that model. But an over deviated new radio doesn't sound crappy in

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)

2007-03-15 Thread Jim B.
mch wrote: 2.5 kHz channel spacing? Where is that used? It's not in the commercial USA market. Or did you mean 7.5 kHz? Joe M. FWIW-He said channel steps, not spacing. James wrote: It even does 2.5 KHz channel steps to comply with modern narrow band channel planning -- Jim Barbour

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: fixed-audio?

2007-03-15 Thread Jim B.
Jeff DePolo wrote: Real world transmitters always have limiters. Those DO change flatness. That keeps throwing me. I hear 'limiter' and I go towards the receiver. A limiter is a low IF amplifier that is biased to go into saturation with very little input. This clips off amplitude peaks,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: fixed-audio?

2007-03-15 Thread Jim B.
'nj902' wrote: Real world transmitters always have limiters. Those DO change flatness. That keeps throwing me. I hear 'limiter' and I go towards the receiver. Jeff DePolo wrote: Actually, it wasn't me that said Real world transmitters always have limiters. I know it was just a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Looking for Info on EF Johnson LR-MT-22 220-222 MHz Ra...

2007-03-13 Thread Jim B.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This radio is doing LTR Trunking FM Right now . Steve. KB3FSR BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Hmmm-I don't think that radio's from around

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Looking for Info on EF Johnson LR-MT-22 220-222 MHz Ra...

2007-03-13 Thread Jim B.
skipp025 wrote: which seems rather odd because most of the 220-220 Licenses I've seen are narrow band acsb type emissions. But I can't see a reason why nb fm wouldn't work or be allowed. Certainly be more practical in the commercial radio world than the acsb format. cheers,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor receiver below 440?

2007-03-12 Thread Jim B.
Captainlance wrote: Anyone have any luck using a 450-470 Micor receiver below 440? I am considering using them as link receivers. Or, anyone use a 403-420 model in 430-440 use? Lance N2HBA Yes-I took one down to 438-something years ago, just to try it. (I just retuned an existing element

Re: [Repeater-Builder] A Monday Laugh

2007-03-09 Thread Jim B.
Richard wrote: My opinion is that a repeater should be used a lot, that way it's known to be reliable in case of emergency use. Plus, as you say, there'll be people listening. hmph-the more a repeater is used, the less likely I am to want to listen to it... Who wants a radio tied up all day

Re: [Repeater-Builder] A Monday Laugh

2007-03-08 Thread Jim B.
Kris Kirby wrote: On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Eric Lemmon wrote: talkative. Most of these blabbermouths consider setting the TOT on their own radios as too restrictive. Every user radio in my commercial fleet has the TOT set for 30 seconds. In my mind, that's more than enough time to get any

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Repeater can not use TS-64

2007-03-06 Thread Jim B.
Daniel M LePage wrote: I have a Micor repeater that I can not get the CTCSS tone through the receiver. I can get a good 1Khz tone but when I try and put a CTCSS tone through the receiver it is broken up. I did not convert this Micor and it will operate as a repeater with out a CTCSS tone.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A Daily Laugh

2007-03-06 Thread Jim B.
Stephen Reynolds wrote: On the North Fulton ARS Repeater (145.47) in North Atlanta we have Fred Flintstone and the End of the Work Day Whistle set for 5PM. Problem is the clock on the repeater is 10 minutes early so we all leave work early. Steve W4CNG And the problem is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tower to antenna spacing

2007-03-05 Thread Jim B.
Tim and Janet wrote: Repeater BuilderWhat is the standard spacing for a VHF antenna side mounted on rohn 25 tower? I found a page on repeater builder that showed 1/4-1/2 wavelength with a null behind the tower. I don't want to mount it any further than 4' from the tower but of course I would

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Amateur Radio - excessive gain by design

2007-03-05 Thread Jim B.
skipp025 wrote: Well... to sell radios to Amateurs most mfgrs promise the moon and try to build it into the radio. Most hams use radios in locations where the excessive gain is desired (ie not on a mountain top). So a user outside most metro - busy areas really loves the red hot receiver.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity Antenna System ?

2007-03-02 Thread Jim B.
Ken Arck wrote: At 07:23 PM 3/1/2007, you wrote: Were about to implement it on a site in Portland and from preliminary testes it looks good. ---Has a lot of balls, eh? Ken Oh, dear... -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Am I being Censored ?

2007-03-02 Thread Jim B.
George Henry wrote: I think Yahoo has been having hiccups the last couple of days... I see quite a few messages on the Yahoogroups site that I never got in my email, and other messages have been arriving out of order (replies before the originals...) Very weird. George Right-they

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Right from the horse's mouth (or the other end)

2007-03-02 Thread Jim B.
Bob M. wrote: Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups. I have read your email and understand that you are unable to received group messages since Feb. 28. I appreciate you contacting us and I'll be glad to assist you on this matter. As you've noticed, we were experiencing some

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood commercial radios as link radios

2007-03-01 Thread Jim B.
Mike Mullarkey wrote: They will work but the Motorola SM-50 radio works much better and you don't have to modify the VCO. What Kenwood radios do you need to modify the VCO on to get them to work on the ham bands? Every Kenwood commercial rig I've played with since the 705/805 series has gone

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 220 repeater receiver recommendations?

2007-02-26 Thread Jim B.
Bob Dengler wrote: At 2/23/2007 12:50 PM, you wrote: With respect to using the GE MII mobile frame for repeater applications: 1. Can you say categorically that there is sufficient TX/RX shielding to prevent any desense at any power level the conversion is capable of operating? In my

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440-450 band plan (The normal North vs So Cal :-)

2007-02-26 Thread Jim B.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You laugh, but with the use of Time Division Multiplex it may be possible to transmit and receive on the same frequency in different time slots. It may not be that far fetched. 73, Joe, k1ike Technically, it's not full duplex when you do that. You transmit a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] desense, blocking or capture?

2007-02-26 Thread Jim B.
skipp025 wrote: So would/should we actually call the below problem desense, blocking or capture of the repeater receiver? s. Years ago an upside down repeater in New Mexico on the intertie using PL access would regularly be de-sensed by one in Texas 300 miles away in the spring with

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GM300 Repeater with Harris Duplexer

2007-02-26 Thread Jim B.
skipp025 wrote: Re: GM300 Repeater with Harris Duplexer Depends on which Harris Mobile Duplexer you're using. One version is almost plug and play into the ham bands while another is not such a great performer when used below say... 452MHz. Are you using the Black Celwave Flat-pack or

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Activity Level On Ham Repeaters Way Down In My Area

2007-02-23 Thread Jim B.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see the same thing even in the big cities - Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Seattle, Vancouver B.C., etc. As you tune across 2-Meters, 220 and 440 MHz, most Repeaters are quiet, most of the time. You can often scan the entire band(s) from a clear location and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Activity Level On Ham Repeaters Way Down In My Area

2007-02-23 Thread Jim B.
In a message dated 2/22/2007 11:40:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The number of active ham repeaters in my area is way, way down in comparison to levels of 10 years ago. It isn't uncommon to monitor a repeater frequency and hear no traffic for weeks. Some clubs

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 220 repeater receiver recommendations?

2007-02-23 Thread Jim B.
Ken Harrison wrote: Thanks for the recommendation, Don. Though I'm sure a MastrII would be a great conversion for 220, we (in the group sense) want to try to save some of our money to get a remote base setup going on our repeater, too. Our small savings would be wiped out to replace the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Affordable P25 Repeaters?

2007-02-23 Thread Jim B.
Tony L. wrote: What manufacturers currently have P25 capable repeaters on the market? Motorola, M/A-Com, EADS, Daniels, EFJ, Tait, maybe Racal. Several others are reselling Daniels, maybe other brands. Also, Raytheon has a P25CC controller that is supposed to add P25 to an existing base, like

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Affordable P25 Repeaters?

2007-02-23 Thread Jim B.
Phil wrote: might take a look at a Quantar if you already have one, or even a Mastr III can be upgraded (if not already) Not all of either can be upgraded-only the newer ones. Older Quantars and MIII's don't have the hardware to accomodate it. BTW-Kenwood, Icom, Vertex, and Relm are reselling

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 220 repeater receiver recommendations?

2007-02-23 Thread Jim B.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Scott: With respect to using the GE MII mobile frame for repeater applications: 1. Can you say categorically that there is sufficient TX/RX shielding to prevent any desense at any power level the conversion is capable of operating? At

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Shiny antennas (Black, Chrome and Salmon Colors)

2007-02-22 Thread Jim B.
W8MIA wrote: There is one SMALL problem with your Hypothesis. RF is transmitted by Electrons. Light is transmitted by Photons. Science has a rather good handle on Electrons but Photons are still not fully understood!!! Apples Oranges!! August W8MIA Details, details... -- Jim Barbour

Re: [Repeater-Builder] linking frequencies?

2007-02-21 Thread Jim B.
Gary wrote: I suggest checking with your local frequency coordination group(s) for the bands. Linking in the 440Mhz band is generally not acceptible however the 420-430Mhz portion of the amateur 70cm band is used for linking in some regions. Gary Unless you live near the CDN border, where

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Statistics

2007-02-20 Thread Jim B.
Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: And as of today we have 3402 members Mike WA6ILQ Wow...pretty impressive! You guys all deserve a lot of congrats for putting this together and making it the resource it is! I remember Kevin making comments about how the list just passed 500, 800, then 1000...my

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna gain specs

2007-02-20 Thread Jim B.
Paul Holm wrote: Reading the replies that mentioned gain specs, I can't help but think of our last ham club meeting. An older member persuaded the club to replace the VHF repeater antenna with a Diamond X500HNA rather than a DB-224 because the Diamond has 8.3 dB gain. And even worse is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antennas that work both in commercial and amateur

2007-02-20 Thread Jim B.
Gary Schafer wrote: Measured on their range-they used to be based in Cleveland, and my father was one of the designers. (anybody here remember the PRO-27JR 27Mhz antenna? Or the original 4BTV?) -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL With all due respect to your father Jim, I think that 4 db of gain is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antennas that work both in commercial and amateur

2007-02-20 Thread Jim B.
Jeff DePolo wrote: There are a lot of unknown variables here, including, but not limited to the size of the ground plane the antennas were mounted on, their heights above the ground plane, the method of coupling to the ground plane (direct, mag mount, etc.), matching networks' efficiencies,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antennas that work both in commercial and amateur

2007-02-20 Thread Jim B.
Jeff DePolo wrote: Oh, and 'mag mounts' didn't really exist much then...you either mounted the antenna in a hole, or you didn't have an antenna. Ah, the gold old days, when men armed with a drill and Greenlee punch thought nothing of putting holes in their roofs, fearing not the Wrath of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Statistics

2007-02-19 Thread Jim B.
Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: Recently I did some research on the membership statistics for this group. Here's some interesting info: snip 1,679 are on No Email - i.e. they read the mail via the YahooGroups web site and they have locked themselves out of special notices. That last tidbit is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antennas that work both in commercial and amateur

2007-02-19 Thread Jim B.
ocwarren2000 wrote: I've been watching this topic and cannot recommend the half wave dipole bay antennas as not really efficient gain wise for what one gets for the effort.. The Station Master series has been mentioned, which has good omnidirectional gain, in the order of some

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antennas that work both in commercial and amateur

2007-02-19 Thread Jim B.
Laryn Lohman wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Barry C' [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I presume its some sort of stacked arrangment , in chich case it will make that gain at resonance , Yes, the ASPB602 is four stacked dipoles, just like the DB224. My point again is that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antennas that work both in commercial and amateur

2007-02-19 Thread Jim B.
Right-slightly OT, for a mobile antenna, you will find that you can squeak out a bit more gain by using a .64-wavelength whip instead of a pure 5/8-wave (.625) In the late 60's/early 70's, the NewTronics BBL series VHF gain antennas were rated at an honest 4dB gain-and did it. The A/S VHF

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Time Out Award

2007-02-19 Thread Jim B.
Don wrote: I have a Friend who always Times out my Repeater and others , Not that this is a Bad thing, The Repeaters are being used, He has jokingly wondered why No one or I has sent Him a Time out Award. I looked on line and found nothing can anyone please let me know of one. I could

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Midland XTR question...

2007-02-15 Thread Jim B.
Vincent McKever wrote: There is a COS point on the main board. A pair of midland radios will make a great repeater and one will make an easy remote. Much better that a GE or Motorola. Try it, you'll love it. Vincent N6OA Well, I think that is exaggerating a bit, but yeah, they would do

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Icom portable repeater help

2007-02-13 Thread Jim B.
ensemble953039 wrote: Hi, from the experiments carried out here in the U.K. on in-band and cross-band portable and mobile repeaters vertical separation is nowhere near as good as horizontal.This also offers the chance to get the recieve antenna in a null from the

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