[Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread jmp46534
Thanks Oz for the comments. You are right it could be the duplexer, but my money is still on that used antenna. I know when I moved the duplexer to here, I had it wrapped in a blanket and strapped in to the car seat like a baby. I found a document on hooking a handheld to the transmit side

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
, 2009 10:26 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question Thanks Oz for the comments. You are right it could be the duplexer, but my money is still on that used antenna. I know when I moved the duplexer to here, I had it wrapped in a blanket

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread men...@pa.net
In your initial post ypu mentioned that you had to use pliers to tighten the connectors on both ends. 2 possibilities: 1) You used the wrong connectors. Yes I have seen this done before. A PL259 screwed onto a N-Female. Contact made but poor range on a simplex system; looked OK on

[Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread ae6zm
John, you said it. There always seems to be someone who thinks all you need to be a tech is a bench full of equipment. On another group I saw a post from someone who was going to 'modify' his handheld ( SDR radio with all SMT ), had all the equipment, just wanted to know how to get the case

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread Butch Kanvick
, 7 Sep 2009 14:25:41 + Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question Thanks Oz for the comments. You are right it could be the duplexer, but my money is still on that used antenna. I know when I moved the duplexer to here, I had it wrapped in a blanket and strapped in to the car

[Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread ab6li
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, jmp46534 w...@... wrote: Thanks guys for all the answers and suggestions. I will try most of them, probably not the isolator until we can find one. The interconnecting cables for the duplexer are from Wacom and are a matched set of RG214 that came

[Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread jmp46534
Thanks for the latest batch of advice. I did find one thing this morning, this first can on the transmit side was not locked down. So this could be a problem as well. The connectors are really tight to turn, so that is why the pliers have to be used. Again one of the club member made them up,

[Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread jmp46534
recommend it. 73, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jmp46534 Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:26 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread Chuck Kelsey
-Builder] Re: De-sense question In your initial post ypu mentioned that you had to use pliers to tighten the connectors on both ends. 2 possibilities: 1) You used the wrong connectors. Yes I have seen this done before. A PL259 screwed onto a N-Female. Contact made but poor range on a simplex

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread Chuck Kelsey
] On Behalf Of jmp46534 Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:26 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question Thanks Oz for the comments. You are right it could be the duplexer, but my money is still on that used antenna. I know when I

[Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread jmp46534
, September 07, 2009 10:26 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question Thanks Oz for the comments. You are right it could be the duplexer, but my money is still on that used antenna. I know when I moved the duplexer

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread no6b
At 9/7/2009 09:07, you wrote: If I were you, the first thing I would do is to remove the pre-amp. Then, put a GOOD dummy load on the output of the duplexer. Next have one of the helpers walk around with a handheld and go for a walk until they get noisy into the repeater. Next, monitor the

[Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread ab6li
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, n...@... wrote: At 9/7/2009 09:07, you wrote: If I were you, the first thing I would do is to remove the pre-amp. Then, put a GOOD dummy load on the output of the duplexer. Next have one of the helpers walk around with a handheld and go for a walk

[Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread jmp46534
We did discover that the receive works great when the transmitter is attached to another antenna. Receive strength went way up. But, of course that doesn't fix the problem of wanting to use only one antenna. So for now, the receive will be on the repeater antenna and the transmit on a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread Andrew Seybold
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jmp46534 Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:52 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question We did discover that the receive works great when the transmitter is attached

[Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread jmp46534
-Builder] Re: De-sense question We did discover that the receive works great when the transmitter is attached to another antenna. Receive strength went way up. But, of course that doesn't fix the problem of wanting to use only one antenna. So for now, the receive

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread Andrew Seybold
@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question Correct Andy, As they say I might have won the battle but the war is not over. I still need to come up with the why it is happening. Then the solution. My next attempt is to take the bandpass out of line and try it just through

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread Konstantinos Hatzakis
PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question There's a great document on the RB website that discusses desense. If you haven't looked at it, I'd definitely recommend it. 73, Mike WM4B

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-07 Thread Eric Lemmon
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Konstantinos Hatzakis Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:05 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question Dear Mike ! Would you mind give me the relative Link because I am not so familiar

[Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-06 Thread jmp46534
Thanks guys for all the answers and suggestions. I will try most of them, probably not the isolator until we can find one. The interconnecting cables for the duplexer are from Wacom and are a matched set of RG214 that came with the 6 cans. I also have RG214 going from the cans to radio and

[Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-06 Thread jmp46534
Hi, We screwed the sections together with sheet metal screws before putting up on the tower. 73 John, W3ML --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, WA3GIN wa3...@... wrote: Hi, First thing. Remove the preamp. Those things are only useful after you have a tight working system.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-06 Thread JOHN MACKEY
I've heard that many times right before I had to fix someone else's mess. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 04:32:59 PM PDT From: jmp46534 w...@arrl.net SNIP The radio was tuned using a service monitor by the Ham that set up all of equipment. He owns multiple repeaters

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: De-sense question

2009-09-06 Thread Rich Osman
John, Some comments and observations; Moving a 30 or 40 year old might radio invalidate the fact that it was working at the other site. Duplexers, particularly 'vintage' duplexers don't always travel well. This is particularly true when the person doing the alignment forgets to run the locking