...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:42 AM Eastern Standard Time
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
WA3GIN wrote:
Let get real...we're making up configurations and drawing conclusions
-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Pease
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:39 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
When did this list become a law list what does any of this have to do with
repeater
@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the
internet
When did this list become a law list what does any of this have to do with
repeater building. I thought this list was for tech discussions. How the
list members use the tech info is their problem
On 1/4/2010 2:03 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys,
I am working on a project and am wondering if anyone has done this.
Here's the proposal, to setup a dispatch center for an FD, where the
dispatchers can sit at home and work the entire thing.
This is not a very busy department, that's why they
On 1/4/2010 2:33 PM, wd8chl wrote:
Security is also a big issue with trying to use the internet for
something like this. Anyone with a little knowledge can hack into it and
do whatever.
Who needs to hack? All common VoIP protocols in use are sniffable and
playable from 100% free tools like
On 1/4/2010 4:24 PM, Randy Ross wrote:
Given the inherit instability of the internet (it was NEVER designed
to do what we are doing with it), I would consider any communications
system which is reliant upon the internet to be flawed by design and
completely untrustworthy.
We better shut
Must be me, but at 7:28m, our leader Kevin said 'this thread is OVER.'
Jim
- Original Message -
From: Nate Duehr
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
On 1/4/2010 5:20 PM, Bill Smith wrote:
VoIP is used daily and has been for over five years for
mission-critical applications such major electric and gas utilities
and public safety. VoIP isn't the problem, it's the transport medium.
Or more accurately, lack of a backup/redundant transport
-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
On 1/4/2010 2:33 PM, wd8chl wrote:
Security is also a big issue with trying to use the internet for
something like this. Anyone with a little knowledge can hack into it and
do whatever.
Who needs to hack? All
On 1/4/2010 5:32 PM, WA3GIN wrote:
Don,
You have pointed out some valid concerns but the world doesn't
care...VOIP is cost effective for day to day operations and everyone
is going there as fast as they can...the fact that everyone is going
there will bring the reliability you indicate is
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the
internet
On 1/4/2010 2:33 PM, wd8chl wrote:
Security is also a big issue with trying to use the internet for
something
Your first mistake is making the assumption this would be done on a standard
residential connection. You can get commercial and better systems to a
resident, but only at business expenses.
There would be no need to have anything other then the dedicated system on
it.
Many companies do this
@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
On 1/5/2010 4:17 PM, WA3GIN wrote:
I'm waiting to here on this thread that it must be the President's fault
this guy asked the question, haha.
When
Just a personal experience with residential Internet:
Northeast power blackout of 2003
The power went out. Our PCs and cable modem were on UPS. I
brought the PCs down gracefully and waited.
After a half an hour, I started my generator and booted the PCs.
It was about an hour after the
Hey guys,
I am working on a project and am wondering if anyone has done this.
Here's the proposal, to setup a dispatch center for an FD, where the
dispatchers can sit at home and work the entire thing.
This is not a very busy department, that's why they thought it would be good
to do it.
I've done
, and the occupants are bleeding to death,
but the dispatcher can't dispatch the call?
I'll stop here.
Chuck
WB2EDV
- Original Message -
From: Jed Barton j...@jedbarton.com
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run
check out the IP-223. it may fit your needs.
http://www.northms2way.com/IP-223_BROCHURE.pdf
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Jed Barton j...@jedbarton.com wrote:
Hey guys,
I am working on a project and am wondering if anyone has done this.
Here's the proposal, to setup a dispatch center for
IRLP.net
Talk to Dave C.
Dave has some systems like you are thinking of doing . its a private IRLP
system
what I hear it works very well
Rick
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Chris Robinson kf6...@gmail.com wrote:
check out the IP-223. it may fit your needs.
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
check out the IP-223. it may fit your
needs.http://www.northms2way.com/IP-223_BROCHURE.pdf
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Jed Barton j...@jedbarton.com wrote:
Hey guys,
I am working on a project
at muliple
locations is possible. Would not want to favor one employee over another.
--- On Mon, 1/4/10, Jed Barton j...@jedbarton.com wrote:
From: Jed Barton j...@jedbarton.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday
Jed;
There are certainly options to pass
radio audio and keying over the internet in VOIP
or equivalent scenarios. I would also mention
there are several agencies who have regulations
on how calls are answered and dispatched... Your
solution would seem to require some approvals if
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the
internet
check out the IP-223. it may fit your
needs.http://www.northms2way.com/IP
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Bade
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:23 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Jed;
There are certainly options to pass radio audio and keying over
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Boy, where to begin.
First, I'd check with the insurance carrier regarding your proposal to
locate dispatch in a private home. I can see all sorts of snarled lawsuits
when something goes wrong. Maybe someone loosing
on a private
LAN/WAN.
Chuck WB2EDV
- Original Message - From: Chris Robinson To:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:15
PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the
internet
check out the IP-223. it may fit your
centers run through the
internet
Security is also a big issue with trying to use the internet for
something like this. Anyone with a little knowledge can hack into it and
do whatever.
Chuck Kelsey wrote:
You'll note that the manufacturer is not suggesting that you utilize
the Internet
The Internet is a shared medium. A private WAN/LAN commonly utilizes
fiber optic cable or licensed wireless networking to accomplish
connectivity. While private systems can deliver Internet, it is not
(necessarily) THE Internet. Privately owned facilities like what many
CATV, Phone,
Kevin is on the right track. At my day job, I am the CEO of a state research
data networking -- this stuff is actually what pays the bills to spend time
with repeaters on the weekends. I'm not sure if the credentials mean anything
here or not, but FWIW.
If this FD is in a relatively isolated
Yes, and they are called Intranets.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Custer
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
The Internet is a shared medium
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WA3GIN
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:23 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Yes, and they are called Intranets.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin
two cents worth.
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WA3GIN
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:23 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Yes
( and yes I have had training in the area)
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: rr...@librtynet.com
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:24:08 -0700
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Given the inherit
: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:43 PM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
It's done very day ,a good vpn and intranet and very difficult to
interfere, with short of a direct physical connection there is little better
so I don't
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:43 PM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com repeater-builder%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
It's done very day
line.
-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:43 PM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
...@engineeringinc.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 6:08 PM
try again. I am a network engineer and I can tell you all it takes is one
mistake or routing
...@engineeringinc.com wrote:
From: Don E. Wisdom d...@engineeringinc.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the
internet
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 6:08 PM
wa3gin
- Original Message -
From: Bill Smith
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
VoIP is used daily and has been for over five years for
mission
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:43 PM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.comrepeater-builder%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
It's
wa3gin
- Original Message -
*From:* Bill Smith brsc...@yahoo.com
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 04, 2010 7:20 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the
internet
VoIP is used daily and has been for over five years
-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Jed;
There are certainly options to pass radio audio and keying over the
internet in VOIP or equivalent scenarios. I would also mention there are
several
:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the
internet
The Internet is a shared medium. A private WAN/LAN commonly utilizes
fiber optic cable or licensed wireless networking to accomplish
connectivity. While private systems can
] dispatch centers run through the internet
Hey guys,
I am working on a project and am wondering if anyone has done this.
Here's the proposal, to set up a dispatch center for an FD, where the
dispatchers can sit at home and work the entire thing.
This is not a very busy department, that's why
time is of the essence
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:35 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Jed
-effective method.
Chuck
WB2EDV
- Original Message -
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 1:04 PM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet
Jed,
Whether or not it CAN be done is not an issue. The issue is whether it
SHOULD be done. The notion of a public safety agency
Don has it right. Using an inTERnet connection is not acceptable for
this application. Only a closed, private network (inTRAnet) is even
barely acceptable, and then there is still the problem of what is called
backhoe fade. Pretty self explanatory.
Jed Barton wrote:
voip can be very relyable.
WA3GIN wrote:
Let get real...we're making up configurations and drawing conclusions
that will perhaps not even be considered. Without being part of the
public safety team in this fellas community all these what-ifs are
senseless. Each community and its emergency management will decide
what
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