Re: [Repeater-Builder] Radio or Duplex watts

2010-05-29 Thread Joel Liburd
No, and no. Your repeater would be putting out about 65 - 85 % of your 4 watts, based on the type of duplexer setup. v44kai.Joel. - Original Message - From: x.tait.tech To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 4:47 AM Subject: Re:

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Radio or Duplex watts

2010-05-29 Thread burkleoj
I was thinking it should be 39 Watts. The 4 Watt HT added to the 35 Watt rating of the Duplexer. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joel Liburd v44...@... wrote: No, and no. Your repeater would be putting out about 65 - 85 % of your 4 watts, based on the type of duplexer setup.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Radio or Duplex watts

2010-05-29 Thread x.tait.tech
NoNo..No.and again.NO.not at all.not ever On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:46 PM, burkleoj joeburk...@hotmail.com wrote: I was thinking it should be 39 Watts. The 4 Watt HT added to the 35 Watt rating of the Duplexer.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 220 duplexers

2010-05-29 Thread Stan
Well I don't know how you guys got the idea I am going to leave a bunch of junk on our tower, but that is not the case. Sorry. IF we stay on this tower we will replace the antenna, IF we move, the old tower will be removed. There will not be a next guy. I am simply looking for 220 duplexers

[Repeater-Builder] Need soome power dividers

2010-05-29 Thread Com/Rad Inc
Looking for the following Quantity 2 - UHF power divider ( 500 w ) single input, dual output ( 2 x splitter ) 455 - 465 range 2 - VHF power splitter ( 500 watt ) configured as above 151 - 159 range Ed K9QPJ

[Repeater-Builder] Combiner Search

2010-05-29 Thread Com/Rad Inc
Hello Group We may require a VHF Combiner 2 to 4 channels ( 125 w input / chan ) and an associated receiver multicoupler. Looking for what is out there in inventory - we will probably need to make a purchase within the next 10 days. Regards to all Ed Folta K9QPJ

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 220 duplexers

2010-05-29 Thread Chuck Kelsey
My point was that if you get a duplexer, you should still consider removing the bad antenna as it could cause you grief. If the re-locate looks like it is going to be in a few months, I'd probably ride it out and leave the antenna until the entire tower comes down. It sounds like you are the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 220 duplexers

2010-05-29 Thread Jim Lange
Stan, I sent something to your personal email the other day. Have you seen it? It may be what you need. Jim WA2RJP - Original Message - From: Stan To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 07:29 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 220 duplexers

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Help Needed (Guidance and advice) tuning a DB Products Duplexer

2010-05-29 Thread Milt
Josh, Ed's description for tuning is right on the money. I would try moving the unit just a slight bit to get used to how it tunes before trying to move it over such a wide frequency range. Once you are comfortable with your equipment and how the duplexer tunes, then move it to the new

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Using DAVIS BURY FLEX

2010-05-29 Thread Chuck Kelsey
I believe Bury Flex has foil/braid combination construction. If this is the case, I'd suggest not using it in a repeater installation. I'm pretty sure it's in the 9913/9914 family. I'd suggest a piece of 1/2 Heliax. Now, if the antenna is only going to be 20' from the repeater, you may still

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using DAVIS BURY FLEX

2010-05-29 Thread Michael Ryan
Thanks Chuck, After getting the cable in front of me ( which was AFTER I posted the question) and peeling back the jacket, I saw the foil and braid shielding, so you are correct. Looks like another hybrid of LMR-400, etc. This will be used around some tight turns where heliax might be difficult

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Using DAVIS BURY FLEX

2010-05-29 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Some Heliax Superflex may help. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Michael Ryan To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 9:06 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Using DAVIS BURY FLEX Thanks Chuck, After getting the cable in front of me

[Repeater-Builder] Duplex Can set ???

2010-05-29 Thread Kuby
I have a rack mount set of four square duel N connector port cans made by Decibel, model SP4626 on freq 465.500MHz What do I own? Where can I get data spec sheet on these cans? Can they be used as 440 duplexer cans? What needs to be done? I did notice the coax jumpers are 7 t/t, and my 440

RE: [Repeater-Builder] is a repeater needed

2010-05-29 Thread Stanley Stanukinos
Lane, what frequency are you trying to go on'? Houston has a waiting list for VHF and UHF is pretty full. I think if you look around Houston proper is covered fairly well. Look at the www.txvhffm.org web site. You can do search's there. If you would like to set up and play there are several UHF

[Repeater-Builder] Re: is a repeater needed

2010-05-29 Thread George C
The project can be fun, and educational...but are you talking amateur or GMRS? If amateur, look here: http://www.txvhffm.org/repeater/ Set location to Houston and the hit search. But look at surrounding towns as well. As far as coordination goes, there is a waiting list on 2 meters, not on

[Repeater-Builder] Transformer cores

2010-05-29 Thread Doug Hutchison
Hello, Got situation where the 'elastic' or whatever inside RX IF transformer has disintegrated through age allowing ferrite core to drop to bottom thus negating adjustment. What successful fixes have been found for such a problem which will continue to allow adjustment yet not jam the core?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transformer cores

2010-05-29 Thread Chuck Kelsey
I've always heard about inserting a small diameter piece of rubber band in between, but have never found anyone that actually had it work. If it were me, I'd get some bees wax, melt it, and quickly dip the core in it using a tuning tool so as not to coat the innards. This would put a small

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Transformer cores

2010-05-29 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
I've used a small rubber band or some thread. Most of the time, I've had to trim the rubber band with a razor blade to get very narrow. I've also coated the thread in wax prior to dangling it into the tube. 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Help Needed (Guidance and advice) tuning a DB Products Duplexer

2010-05-29 Thread Glenn (Butch) Kanvick
Hello Josh. Look under the caps between the coax connectors. That should be the notch adjustment. They may not go that low,but all you can do is try. Good luck. Butch, KE7FEL/r On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Josh josh.kit...@gmail.com wrote: Ok so here's what I've got (I think)

Re: [Repeater-Builder] is a repeater needed

2010-05-29 Thread MCH
Simple answer: Do you have repeaters that cover the same area yours would cover? Joe M. Lane wrote: Hi all, I've been interested in building a repeater for a while now, but before I do, I guess the first step is in knowing whether or not a repeater is needed for my area. I live in

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transformer cores

2010-05-29 Thread Joel Liburd
Hi Doug, I have had this on many occasion, my first experience was, what the heck I'm going to do now! I have tried thread, wax, rubber band and others, best that works 100% of the times are the (right size fishing line) and my favorite plumbers tape (wrap it on the threaded core) I keep a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transformer cores

2010-05-29 Thread Doug Hutchison
Hello again and thank you all for the input. I shall try the thread/wax combination but remembered I had a plumbers wrench kit which has a roll of PTFE, wrapped some on one of the three cores which have dropped out and it works a treat. Good idea Joel. Best regards, Doug - GM7SVK On

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transformer cores

2010-05-29 Thread Joel Liburd
You are welcome, Just make sure you wind the tape the same way you would for the pipe thread (right hand for tightening) so that when screwing it in the thread will seal it, then taking it out wouldn't be a problem. v44kai.Joel. - Original Message - From: Doug Hutchison

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transformer cores

2010-05-29 Thread Bill Smith
You need to be careful with Beeswax. it can hold the core tight enough that you break it.  From: Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 11:46:19 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transformer cores

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transformer cores

2010-05-29 Thread Doug Hutchison
Yep, thought that might be a problem when it sets.PTFE is a good solution...been winding the cores in and out for over 15 minutes and no problems. Thank you, Doug On 29/05/2010 18:50:09, Bill Smith (brsc...@yahoo.com) wrote: You need to be careful with Beeswax. it can hold the core tight

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transformer cores

2010-05-29 Thread Joel Liburd
Very very good Doug, It always work for me, never had to even undo one. v44kai.Joel. - Original Message - From: Doug Hutchison specialq@ntlworld.com To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transformer cores

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Help Needed (Guidance and advice) tuning a DB Products Duplexer

2010-05-29 Thread Jeff DePolo
Ok so here's what I've got (I think) http://www.n2ckh.com/FORSALE/REPEATERS/DUPLEXERS/DB4076/DSC02678.JPG Hamvention special, 4 cavities, appears to be a DB Products 4076 family unit. My bench tools: HP 8924c w/ Spec Analyzer and Tracking Generator. There was a guy at the Hamvention

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transformer cores

2010-05-29 Thread x.tait.tech
I am amased to say the least to fathom, how without brute force, less wear and tare, ( Must have been many years constant retuning ) to wear out the slug cavity, that allowed the ferrit slug to fall through the threads to the bottom of the can most tips and hints have already been covered, and

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Help Needed (Guidance and advice) tuning a DB Products Duplexer

2010-05-29 Thread Josh
Certainly not what I was expecting... Yeah, I bought one from 'that guy'. It's more than an untrained eye - he straight lied to me... said 'under these caps are where you'll tune the capacitors' - I should have popped one off and looked down the hole. Maybe he was clued in, maybe he wasnt -

[Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)

2010-05-29 Thread Robert
how much space is needed between the TX and RX ant and which type of cable to use ?

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning DB Products Duplexer

2010-05-29 Thread Kuby
I also bought a set(x4) of these model DB SP4626. Reading this string I decided to investigate my Dayton cans further. They have a goof plug covering the notch hole with no cap inside. They are all copper cans. I cracked one open (just a thin bead of solder on two sides holding the copper

[Repeater-Builder] Motorola Micor COS Issues

2010-05-29 Thread Josh
I'm having COS issues with my motorola micor. I've got a normal audio/squelch board modded per these instructions http://www.repeater-builder.com/micor/station-a-s.html I'm unable to recover COS from pin 13 of J2 (pin 8 of the audio sq board). Any thoughts? Side note, related or unrelated, I

[Repeater-Builder] Retuning a UHF Motorola Micor without a deviation meter or signal generator ?

2010-05-29 Thread Brian Smith
I will apologize in advance, as I am an extreme newby in the world of repeater building / operation.   We've been donated a UHF Motorola Micor system.  The system has documentation that shows that it once ran at 78W out in commercial service.   Being an amateur radio operator without a

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Retuning a UHF Motorola Micor without a deviation meter or signal generator ?

2010-05-29 Thread Josh
Brian, Here's what your project would look like. First, you'll need crystals. Those can be ordered. Second you'll need access to a 'test set' of sorts for the micor. There are several types, this'll set you back $20 to $100 (depending what test set you get). This is necessary to 'tune' the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Help Needed (Guidance and advice) tuning a DB Products Duplexer

2010-05-29 Thread Tony KT9AC
All is not lost Josh - I'm running Motorola T1507 which are 4-can pass-only cavities on my Micor. Actually pass-only are better for commercial sites since they will help keep out a lot of intermod on either side of how they are tuned. Pass-notch on the other hand will pass the tuned

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)

2010-05-29 Thread ZPO
Depends on the power level. What type of site will the repeater be located at? A duplexer is probably going to be cheaper than a 2nd antenna and 2nd run of superflex. 73-N5VFF/Brian On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Robert bobe...@yahoo.com wrote: how much space is needed between the TX and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Retuning a UHF Motorola Micor without a deviation meter or signal generator ?

2010-05-29 Thread Mike Morris
At 08:31 PM 05/29/10, you wrote: I will apologize in advance, as I am an extreme newby in the world of repeater building / operation. No apology needed. We've all had to start somewhere. We've been donated a UHF Motorola Micor system. The system has documentation that shows that it once ran

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)

2010-05-29 Thread Robert Boles
it is 50 watts out,   its at my home , and no other repeater with miles  of this location and i have the ant and hard line  --- On Sat, 5/29/10, ZPO geekdownra...@gmail.com wrote: From: ZPO geekdownra...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF) To:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)

2010-05-29 Thread ZPO
Here is a link to a page on the RB web site - http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/separation.html Per the graphs - 25-30ft of vertical separation between antenna centers should get you approximately 65dB of isolation. 800-900ft of horizontal separation would be required to get the same

RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)

2010-05-29 Thread Eric Lemmon
Robert, I put 50 watts and 0.3 uV at GMRS frequencies into my Comm Shop for Windows program, and it suggests that 73 dB of isolation is needed to avoid desense. This amount of isolation can be achieved with about 39 feet of vertical antenna separation or about 1020 feet of horizontal separation.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)

2010-05-29 Thread ZPO
I trust Eric's experience and software more than my SWAG any day. Given the prices for mobile notch duplexers, I don't see a reason not to use one. 73-N5VFF/Brian On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net wrote: Robert, I put 50 watts and 0.3 uV at GMRS frequencies

[Repeater-Builder] Legal radios for a repeater

2010-05-29 Thread terry dalpoas
I was asked the other day by a friend if you could use an older mobile (Micor, Mitrek, Mastr II and Exec) that has been duplexed for a repeater in GMRS, public safety, etc. I told them that I was pretty sure it was legal since the transmitters are FCC type accepted and as long as they transmit

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)

2010-05-29 Thread Robert Boles
Thanks to everybody I wll go with the duplexers --- On Sat, 5/29/10, ZPO geekdownra...@gmail.com wrote: From: ZPO geekdownra...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 10:22 PM   I trust Eric's