Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-12 Thread Robert Pease
: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M At 05:32 PM 09/11/09, Joe, K1ike wrote: The average coax cable of 1985 vintage probably had a velocity factor of 66%. If you didn't figure this into your calculations the coax would appear to be about 1/4 physical

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-12 Thread Jeff DePolo
Being an analytical guy I modeled the antenna system in both Ansoft Designer and an antenna modeling program. In Ansoft Designer the antennas were modeled as a series RLC load with 50 ohms at resonance and a Q of 15. Transmission lines were modeled with VF equal to that of RG-58A/U coax.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-12 Thread Milt
coil ranges . Milt N3LTQ - Original Message - From: steven_schultz92 steven.schult...@gmail.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M Hello, I am new

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-12 Thread Jeff DePolo
Milt said: The chart in the document was developed specifically for the Spectrum series series fed LB antenna. THE MEASUREMENTS IN THE CHART WILL NOT WORK WITH SHUNT FED COILS! So as I guessed, the secret sauce is the type of antenna/loading coil used. It might be a worthwhile

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-12 Thread Kris Kirby
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: I've been thinking about setting one up, as a future project is to set up a mobile, either a low band Syntor-X9000 or a Maratrac, with some channels on Red Cross and the rest on amateur 6m. I may have to go to a screwdriver antenna as a 1mhz

[Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-11 Thread steven_schultz92
Hello, I am new to this group. A fellow ham recommended I look into this group to answer a question I have. I am also interested in amateur radio equipment design and building so this motivated me to join the group as well. My question is related to the design of a diplex low band antenna

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-11 Thread Mark
Steve, The shorter length stub most likely will give you wider matching bandwidth... This may be why Motorola spec'd a 1/4λ stub as opposed to a 1/2λ stub, as well as nominally lower costs for the shorter cable length. Maybe this will help explain my reasoning:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-11 Thread JOHN MACKEY
: steven_schultz92 steven.schult...@gmail.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M Hello, I am new to this group. A fellow ham recommended I look into this group to answer a question I have. I am also interested

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-11 Thread Steven Schultz
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M Hello, I am new to this group. A fellow ham recommended I look into this group to answer a question I have. I am also interested in amateur radio equipment design and building so this motivated me

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-11 Thread Ralph Mowery
--- On Fri, 9/11/09, Steven Schultz steven.schult...@gmail.com wrote: From: Steven Schultz steven.schult...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 5:29 PM

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-11 Thread Joe
The average coax cable of 1985 vintage probably had a velocity factor of 66%. If you didn't figure this into your calculations the coax would appear to be about 1/4 physical length, but would be an electrical 1/2 wavelength. Did you use a velocity factor in your calculations? Would it be

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-11 Thread JOHN MACKEY
It is on the repeater builder website already. -- Original Message -- Received: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:32:31 PM PDT From: Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net SNIP Would it be possible to scan the Motorola document that you have and post it to the group? I've heard of it but I've never seen it.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-11 Thread Steven Schultz
I did take into account the velocity factor in the simulations. In Ansoft Designer I can specify physical length and VF. In the antenna simulator I am currently using I cannot specify the VF so VF = 1 and I use coax lengths equal to free space wavelengths. The document was given to me in PDF

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-11 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 05:32 PM 09/11/09, Joe, K1ike wrote: The average coax cable of 1985 vintage probably had a velocity factor of 66%. If you didn't figure this into your calculations the coax would appear to be about 1/4 physical length, but would be an electrical 1/2 wavelength. Did you use a velocity factor

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using coaxial cable for 10M and 6 M

2009-09-11 Thread JOHN MACKEY
Mike- How about using an automatic antenna tuner with a whip 6 foot whip? -- Original Message -- Received: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:50:49 PM PDT From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ wa6...@gmail.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diplex antenna installation using