RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-08 Thread John Transue
-Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wd8chl Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:41 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non- quality John Transue wrote

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-07 Thread wd8chl
AJ wrote: I concur - I would *love* to see a write up with photos (preferrably with arrows and captions pointing out actual issues rather than playing Where's Waldo?) up on the RB site. Half the battle is encouraging folks to do it right the first time - the easier we, as a community, make

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-07 Thread wd8chl
Nate Duehr wrote: We could discuss how utterly useless ham radio is these days, or my favorite point recently that anyone with a satellite dish, ability to aim it, and an IP-based service, can do more communications good in a disaster area with that IP, an Asterisk box, and some cordless

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-07 Thread wd8chl
Nate Duehr wrote: (Raise your hands if you've put personal money into a club radio system to make it better... and never gotten reimbursed! I bet more than 1/2 the room's hands go up on this one!!!) How about putting money into a project for a club repeater (including buying crystals),

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-07 Thread wd8chl
Nate Duehr wrote: snip good stuff I've SEEN this work in person... the right people tell the right people that the ham standing there with the test gear knows what he's doing, and the gear goes in the back of the truck and off they go. It's rare, but in the REALLY big events... any qualified

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-07 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Yep. Get that GE junk out of here. A few guys around here have been through that one :-( Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - How about putting money into a project for a club repeater (including buying crystals), installing it, and then after it's running, being told to 'take it out

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-07 Thread Paul Plack
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality Yep. Get that GE junk out of here. A few guys around here have been through that one :-( Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - How about putting money into a project for a club repeater (including

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-07 Thread Michael Ryan
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wd8chl Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:52 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality Nate Duehr wrote: We could discuss how utterly useless ham radio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-07 Thread Kris Kirby
On Thu, 7 May 2009, wd8chl wrote: How about putting money into a project for a club repeater (including buying crystals), installing it, and then after it's running, being told to 'take it out we don't want to use that, we want something anyone can work on', which turns out to be some

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-07 Thread John Transue
: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality I've seen two cases in which club boards, over the advice of the tech people, insisted on ordering new ham-grade repeaters so they'd be covered by a manufacturers warranty. Apparently, the directors didn't consider how ticked-off

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-07 Thread Nate Duehr
On May 7, 2009, at 11:02 AM, Paul Plack wrote: Buying an expensive, poorly-shielded box of low-quality surface- mount chips so anybody can work on it is actually pretty funny. Obviously they've never worked on older commercial stuff, which usually has manuals so detailed any chimpanzee

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-07 Thread wd8chl
John Transue wrote: Well, I wanted to use GM300s until I found out that I can't afford the software and cable to program these radios. Now it looks like I will have to settle for new ham gear. With the Motorola radios, I'd have to take the radios to a shop and pay $45 per radio every time I

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-05 Thread Barry
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: k1...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:32:57 + Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality Interesting, this looks like one of those Hams/bash-hams

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-05 Thread Jed Barton
Having been involved with many repeater installs, it's very simple. You either do it the right way or not at all. It's so important to use propper filtering, and make sure your repeater meets code. I've heard hams whine and complain so many times, and i tell them all the same thing, do what they

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On Tue, 05 May 2009 12:32:57 -, Louis k1...@yahoo.com said: Interesting, this looks like one of those Hams/bash-hams discussions that is not suppose to take place on this forum! Sometimes you just have to rant when you see something this bad. I didn't name names, and I didn't attack any

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-05 Thread Chuck Kelsey
...@natetech.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality On Tue, 05 May 2009 12:32:57 -, Louis k1...@yahoo.com said: Interesting, this looks like one of those Hams/bash-hams discussions

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-05 Thread AJ
it's done this way, not that way. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com nate%40natetech.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-05 Thread Daniel L. Fargo
Well the real question is when is the Federal Government going to wake up and get rid of the no longer need advanced CB radio people! When they removed the tech from Ham radio it died. And what a gold mine they are sitting on (frequencies) the government just did it to the tv stations why are

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-05 Thread Kris Kirby
On Tue, 5 May 2009, Daniel L. Fargo wrote: Well the real question is when is the Federal Government going to wake up and get rid of the no longer need advanced CB radio people! When they removed the tech from Ham radio it died. And what a gold mine they are sitting on (frequencies) the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On Tue, 5 May 2009 16:48:13 -0400, Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com said: Nate - May I suggest that you do a write-up with photos that could be posted on the RB site? Maybe the right way and the wrong way would be helpful for guys making installs. And explain why it's done this way,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-05 Thread Bob M.
a welcome home in the Humor section. Bob M. == --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com wrote: From: Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:48 PM

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On Tue, 05 May 2009 17:01:43 -0400, Daniel L. Fargo dfargo5...@yahoo.com said: Well the real question is when is the Federal Government going to wake up and get rid of the no longer need advanced CB radio people! When they removed the tech from Ham radio it died. And what a gold mine they

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-05 Thread Barry
+1 excellent idea To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: wb2...@roadrunner.com Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:48:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality Nate - May I suggest that you do