Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-16 Thread Johnny Hughes
On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 11:55 +0100, Grant Williamson wrote: When you are deploying linux to the laptop user, and have to add/support many additional drivers it's a different story. Yes one can argue that its the hardware vendors fault, and you should complain to them. The reality is we live

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-15 Thread Sharpe, Sam J
I'm an enterprise user with 1500 RedHat desktops. RedHat does meet my demands. I would say that Wireless support is not even in the top twenty most important things to an Enterprise user because our machine density would make the speed of any wireless network slow to a crawl. With a

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-15 Thread Grant Williamson
When you are deploying linux to the laptop user, and have to add/support many additional drivers it's a different story. Yes one can argue that its the hardware vendors fault, and you should complain to them. The reality is we live in a Microsoft world(like nobody knew that). I just wished

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-15 Thread John Summerfield
Grant Williamson wrote: When you are deploying linux to the laptop user, and have to add/support many additional drivers it's a different story. Yes one can argue that its the hardware vendors fault, and you should complain to them. The reality is we live in a Microsoft world(like nobody knew

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-15 Thread Thomas Cameron
Grant Williamson wrote: Thomas - You're in the minority. you must be joking. Anyone got any troll repellent? Thomas ___ rhelv5-beta-list mailing list rhelv5-beta-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv5-beta-list

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-14 Thread John Summerfield
Tim Burke wrote: Grant Williamson wrote: Tim, I understand the reasoning behind it, but for an organization deploying/maintaining rhel5 its a dammed pain. Why can redhat not simply go back to a kernel-unsupported package, it was so much easier. I really liked the kernel-unsupported package.

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-13 Thread Tim Burke
Correct. We had to remove the regulatory daemon because it is not open source and hence conflicts with our inclusion policy. Grant Williamson wrote: Axel, I agree, but I just want to hear the answer from redhat. Axel Thimm wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 07:36:43PM +0100, Grant Williamson

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-13 Thread Grant Williamson
Tim, why do you then remove the kernel module? Is it not possible to just leave the kernel module there, and let users decide themselves whether they want to use it or not? Tim Burke wrote: Correct. We had to remove the regulatory daemon because it is not open source and hence conflicts

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-13 Thread Sharpe, Sam J
Possibly to leave it would create a support ambiguity. If something is broken, is that because of the kernel module or the userland tools? If there is no kernel module, then anything to do with that hardware becomes by default not a RedHat issue. On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 16:09 +0100, Grant

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-13 Thread Grant Williamson
Tim, I understand the reasoning behind it, but for an organization deploying/maintaining rhel5 its a dammed pain. Why can redhat not simply go back to a kernel-unsupported package, it was so much easier. Tim Burke wrote: Grant Williamson wrote: Tim, why do you then remove the kernel

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-13 Thread Tim Burke
Grant Williamson wrote: Tim, I understand the reasoning behind it, but for an organization deploying/maintaining rhel5 its a dammed pain. Why can redhat not simply go back to a kernel-unsupported package, it was so much easier. I really liked the kernel-unsupported package. It provided a

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-13 Thread Brian Long
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 16:31 +0100, Grant Williamson wrote: IPW3945 is an important card, wireless is an important for the linux desktop, redhat simply does not deliver. It's a shame, real shame. You should take this to Intel, the lovely developers of this binary blob. The entire opensource

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-11 Thread Grant Williamson
Up until the 2.6.18-1.2739.el5 kernel ipw3945 was included in the redhat kernels. Redhat have removed it from the 2.6.18-1.2740.el5 kernel, I would really like to know why? Axel Thimm wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 06:16:18PM +0100, Grant Williamson wrote: What has ATRPMS got to do with

[rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-11 Thread Axel Thimm
On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 07:36:43PM +0100, Grant Williamson wrote: Up until the 2.6.18-1.2739.el5 kernel ipw3945 was included in the redhat kernels. Redhat have removed it from the 2.6.18-1.2740.el5 kernel, I would really like to know why? My best guess is that Red Hat removes everything they

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-11 Thread MJang
On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 19:36 +0100, Grant Williamson wrote: Up until the 2.6.18-1.2739.el5 kernel ipw3945 was included in the redhat kernels. Redhat have removed it from the 2.6.18-1.2740.el5 kernel, I would really like to know why? I'm sorry that I'm so behind you, but all I see on

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-11 Thread Grant Williamson
Axel, I agree, but I just want to hear the answer from redhat. Axel Thimm wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 07:36:43PM +0100, Grant Williamson wrote: Up until the 2.6.18-1.2739.el5 kernel ipw3945 was included in the redhat kernels. Redhat have removed it from the 2.6.18-1.2740.el5 kernel, I

Re: [rhelv5-beta-list] Re: rhel5 latest kernel and ipw3945 DROPPED??

2006-11-11 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 11/11/06, Grant Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Up until the 2.6.18-1.2739.el5 kernel ipw3945 was included in the redhat kernels. Redhat have removed it from the 2.6.18-1.2740.el5 kernel, I would really like to know why? I would like to know where you are getting these kernels? The