Re: Simultaneous refinement of multiple atoms sharing same site

2019-09-02 Thread Jean-Marc Joubert
Dear Ahmed, two different things should be distinguished: - the physical possibility do the refinement - the mathematical way do implement the constraints in eg Fullprof Concerning the first point, as it has already been pointed out, it is not possible to refine site occupancies of two atoms

Re: Simultaneous refinement of multiple atoms sharing same site

2019-09-02 Thread Matthew Rowles
Our chemical engineers like to make perovskites with about 6 elements in two sites for their solid state fuel cells... On Mon, 2 Sep. 2019, 16:15 Le Bail Armel, wrote: > If more than 2 atoms sharing the same site, then fire the chemist... > > Armel >

Re: Simultaneous refinement of multiple atoms sharing same site

2019-09-02 Thread Le Bail Armel
If more than 2 atoms sharing the same site, then fire the chemist... Armel ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list Send commands to eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on

Re: Simultaneous refinement of multiple atoms sharing same site

2019-09-02 Thread Daniel M . Többens
Adding a little bit to the previous answers, aside from using neutron diffraction, on can also use anomalous diffraction close to the absorption edge of the respective chemical elements. This requires a synchrotron source in most cases (unless one happens to have just the right exotic X-ray

Re: Simultaneous refinement of multiple atoms sharing same site

2019-09-02 Thread Ahmed Subrati
Dear all, Thank you very much for your prompt and kind suggestions. Best regards, Ahmed Subrati From: Luca Lutterotti Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 7:22 AM To: Ahmed Subrati ; rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: Simultaneous refinement of multiple atoms sharing

Re: Simultaneous refinement of multiple atoms sharing same site

2019-09-02 Thread Luca Lutterotti
With 3 atoms, as Larry and Alan explain it cannot be done unless you have additional info (e.g. chemical info). In our lab, if the three atoms or at least 2 are in the range for XRF, we do a combined XRD+XRF refinement. Luca ---Luca