I have to disagree 100% with Bill and for this reason... ANY time a modeler can
get what he wants it is a step forward for that modeler! And since flat panel
kits would be so versatile and could enable modelers to quiclky and easily
build a model of their pavorite prototype, I cannot even
John and All,
Just because I expressed an opinion about flat panel kits, does not make me
less of a modeler, or anyone else here for that matter. The methods and
materials that we all use to get what WE want are as personal as the
individual doing the modeling. You really don't want to come
Roger,
I have to agree with the previous comments. You did an awesome job on your
caboose. I need some new photos for the home page. Perhaps you could send me
some featuring your caboose and/or layout.
Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since
Gentlemen!
Assembling a flat kit or a fully molded kit does not matter to me if the kit is
something I really want. I have assembled two FC kits, had a little trouble
with one, but got them both assembled and am happy with the results. I still
have two GN composite box car kits from EARL
I've been working on my version of the Showcase Miniatures sunkist
shed. The structure is built, painted, weathered, and most of the
details have been added.
Last night (Friday) I finalized installation of SMD LEDs to light up the
building. I used SMD resistors for the first time (I have been
That's certainly part of it as is having the model unpainted so I can do
with it as I please.
A perfect model of a road name I don't want painted differently than I
want does me no good.
An unpainted single casting would work as well for me since I am not a
purist and modeling a fictional
Perfect put. But I would add an undecorated option for freelancers.
Carey
Carey Probst
Member, M.I.T. Educational Council
S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
Not to mention stupendous detail!
Fred T
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From: SMMW jimki...@charter.net
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2011 4:36 pm
Subject: {S-Scale List} Flat cast kit parts ... no way
If the goal is to complete a kit as fast as
Somebody has to continue to promote this and be scorekeeper to get the
remaining orders that are required.
John, if you are unwilling to do this, then somebody else has to step up to
the plate.
After reading the ton of emails about the SAL car, I am intrigued with the
project and
It appears that Jim King will be the scorekeeper, as he is depending on paid
reservations.
Fred T
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From: tennsga...@aol.com
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:54 am
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: RE: (ADDENDUM) to my FINAL UPDATE (or the New SAL
Earl,
I've sent a check for $80 to Jim King. If he gets 80 total reservations he
will run with the project. If not he will refund the money minus postage
and/or paypal or credit card fees. I sent a check but evidently you can do
this via credit card or paypal. Ask Jim. Some I don't
Second the motion on trusting Jim K--his integrity has been impeccable in my
experience.
Fred T
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From: gsc3 g...@yahoo.com
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 12:30 pm
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: (ADDENDUM) to my FINAL UPDATE (or the New SAL
I may have missed it in the pile of bits and bytes on this thread, but has
anyone actually posted a photo of the car in question?? After some digging, I
found one in the April 1996 issue of Bill Wade's S/Sn3 Modeling Guide, page 18.
Personally I'd rather go after the PRR K9a stock cars
All;
This is a page from John Degnan's SAL site. A history with data of the car
in question.
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALRoundRoofBoxCarProject.htm
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jim Kindraka raisin...@wi.rr.com wrote:
I may have missed it in the pile of bits and bytes on this
Hope I've got this right.
http//www.trainweb.orgseaboard/SALRoundRoof/BoxCarProject.htm
George Courtney
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UPDATE :
According to Jim King, at the time I'm writing this e-mail, we are only just
BARELY over half way to making this model happen!
The reservation count we currently have :
42 out of 80
So... in reality, this is not too bad considering today is the 16th, and it was
ADDENDUM :
Just so everyone will know... this will be the absolute LAST time I promote
this model. If it does not happen this time... it goes in the TRASH... not on
the shelf... the TRASH!!!
At which time, I will take the money I planned to use to buy FIVE S kits and
devote that to the HO
Let me clarify that MY posts were not at all based in unawareness of what Jim
has achieved with his method(s) of production which I fully and totally
appreciate.
What I am talking about is that there are TONS on prototypes that COULD be
modeled via the flat panel approach that will NEVER
Corrected, URL for SAL Turtle back cars
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALRoundRoofBoxCarProject.htm
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:55 PM, gsc3 g...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hope I've got this right.
http//www.trainweb.orgseaboard/SALRoundRoof/BoxCarProject.htm
George Courtney
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Hi all;
Wow! Pretty heavy flood of posts, which I followed intermittently while on the
road.
I'm happy with the final positive outcome of another chance to make the
Seaboard Turtle Back roof boxcar happen.
** I think it is now time to move on (as some have) to other projects. I hope
Jim
You gotta be s--g me! All hand made? With talent like that, who
needs a mfger? FANTASTIC!!! TK
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Bravo, John... for living much longer than I probably will, and still doing
some modeling!
:)
SALiva... does that mean I'm a slobbering railroad nut?
John Degnan
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From: John
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 16,
From: Alan Lambert
How long did your prototype railroad last. They bellied up because it took to
much money to make each boxcar end different. Same as in the model making. It
cost more money for the molds to make everything prototypicaly correct am I not
right. That is why Jim at SMMW has
On the contrary... I am not unwilling to promote my project. I have been doing
so for... not the 3 or 4 years I originally though, but since 2003!!! So I am
near the point of burning out.
And besides... have you not seen my latest UPDATE posting?
John Degnan
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--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, John Degnan Scaler164@... wrote:
So tell me again if you can... HOW do RTR models save time when they have to
be chopped up and re-done???
They save time if one designs a layout that can use them as is. If it's about
the layout and not a specific car one
Hi All;
Yeah, I mentioned his thread in my last post, but never got to it.
There is no reason for Jim King o go back to flat kits, as he has the skill and
equipment to do the great kits he does produce. If we don't support those
efforts, I don;t see a reason to think that saving a few dollars
--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, John Degnan Scaler164@... wrote:
the absolute BEST models you can currently buy in TT scale (AFAIK) are FLAT
PANEL KITS from what used to be an S scale manufacturer named Pacific Rail
Shops, but is now a TT scale manufacturer named Gold Coast Models!
Hi
Hey I just want to clear up any misperception about my email. In no way
was I questioning Jim King's integrity. If I thought I had the time and the
skills to do this kit, I would have no hesitation about sending him a
check. My message was that I hope someone will continue to promote this
There is something to say for flat panel kits. For one thing you can mold
different ends, sides and roofs. Using each part with several different ends,
say, the manufacture can come up with several different cars for sale just by
combining various parts differently. This way the sales life of a
I assume Alan is being funny, but we are getting a little too close to
criticizing one another for our choices in modeling for my taste, so lets all
take a deep breath and stand down.
Some people find Close good enough, some are willing to squint more in
deciding what is close enough and what
This is great to have 42 but you are not reaching the S Scale model
builders who are not members of the S-Scale Yahoo group. That is why you need
to
do more promotion and I think you will get your required number of orders.
So Jim King is scorekeeper but who is going to head up this
A couple of people commented they couldn't find anything on the SAL B-7 boxcar
searching on-line. I tried, and SAL B-7 certainly seems to provide links to
everything but the car in question. Searching on Seaboard B-7 on the other
hand does bring up John's site, as well another producer of resin
Spent the evening breaking in my new Fasttracks #4 switch jig. These are
really well made and highly accurate.
Will bring some 4's, 6's and 8's to Spring Spree to put out on my table.
John Griffin
Des Plaines Valley
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Jim,
I have had a number of photos of this car on my web site for a number of YEARS
now, and I have made multiple postings in the past and recently of the link to
my site. Where ya been?
See link below :
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALRoundRoofBoxCarProject.htm
John Degnan
From: Alan Lambert
Yes Pieter I was being funny. I hope it gets a GO. That is all he needs, end
molds for diferent configurations. That was my point that got screwed up.
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, Pieter Roos pieter_r...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Pieter Roos pieter_r...@yahoo.com
Subject: {S-Scale
John, beautiful website, both the design and the photos. But I would have
immediately lost interest because the top line says this is an upcoming HO
project ! The information about this being offered as an S scale project,
immediately following saying the project has been put on the shelf
John,
There is no design or manufacturing advantage, hence no lower retail price
reduction either, when dealing with flat castings vs. 1-pc design. It takes
me just as much time to design a kit comprised of flat castings as it does a
1-pc body.
You're missing the entire point to producing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOSib1pF-v4
Okay for those who miss the real steam locos, how about this.
Mike
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I recently discovered that upgrading my limited skills at producing Flat
castings in Urethane was easier than I thought. If I can do it anyone can. On30
is very similar to S scale in mass.
http://on30.ca/caboose.htm
Don Hamilton
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--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com,
All,
You may have heard about John's promotion of a boxcar project. He has been
dropping some subtle hints recently. You also may have guessed that I might
have a few brass PRR Roundroof cars.
http://www.lanestrains.com/Boxcars.htm Still I am participating for 2
reasons.
I truly want
Earl, (and all)
My web page actually did say the model was coming in both HO AND S... up until
the day Jim King told me the kit was cancelled. But I have just now finished
updating the page with accurate text AND a few more photos that have recently
found their way into my posession. I meant
This project depends on everyone who wants one of these models to help make it
happen. And I appreciate everything that those who are doing something have
done.
John Degnan
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From: tennsga...@aol.com
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
FINALLY... someone else who sees the same light I'm seeing. Well said, Paul.
John Degnan
scaler...@comcast.net
- Original Message -
From: Paul Vaughn
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 02:49 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: flat panel kits
There
I, for one, have never bought a model just to improve my layout... it was
always for the purpose of increasing my freight car or locomotive fleet.
However... if all you want is something to improve your layout (something more
to stick on it), then might I suggest taking a pen (or pencil) and
Excuse me? Belly up? Since WHEN? My railroad (as you call it) is now known
as CSX... one of the LARGEST class 1 railroads in the United States.
LOL... some of you folks slay me.
John Degnan
scaler...@comcast.net
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From: Alan Lambert
To:
Hi guys,
I have had some time to work on my scenic view block structures. It is slow
work because I am designing as well as building as I go. I brought one of them
to the NMRA meeting on Thursday and enjoyed discussing view block ideas and
showing off my creation.
Bob, thanks for the
From: Alan Lambert
Lone Star Flyer Club
Arlington,Texas
John,
Now we are cooking. That was where I was headed. That would be the best way to
go.
main body with different ends and tops. I'm still with you now.
Alan
from:
Alan Lambert
John,
CSX is OK. I was thinking about Santa Fe. Where would they be if they had not
mad the murge with Burlington Northern to become BNSF which by the way has
headquarters here in my hometown of Fort Worth, Texas
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, John Degnan scaler...@comcast.net
Peter et al --
John Porter, modeler extraordinaire, died about a dozen years ago.
Dick Karnes
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Peter mentioned John Porter who did a couple of atricles scratchbuilding a
Pennsylvania hopper car and flat car in old issues of MR. His articles are
excellent. John was a good builder. I have wanted to build the flat car that
Peter mentioned. Haven't gotten to it. John Porter also wrote an
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