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However Des Plaines hasn't come out with even new road names that
they could be making a lot of money with, but for some reason, they
aren't doing it.
Per my conversation with Ron Sebastian
at Scranton, ready-to-run production is still on hold due to the China
situtation. He expects that
If you have the space for it, I'd suggest ripping the 4x7, and using
the 2
pieces to make a 14-foot long switching layout.
I agree- take advantage of S for superior switching
operations.
For years, I was able to keep an operating crew
busy with a 2x10 foot switching layout (based on
I would like to know the name and website of the folks in NC
that bought up the SHS replacement parts.
From
the MTH website: PARTS AND SERVICE
M.T.H. Electric Trains will produce and sell products and parts under
the M.T.H. S Gauge product line in 2013. While some of the M.T.H. S
Here's a list of CDS lettering I came up with for doing my Kaslo
cars
(someday).
I'd really like to do a car in
the internet scheme:
http://trainiax.net/photos/2013/2013-03-10-cn/photo-cnlx10098-2013-03-10-cn.JPG
The
lettering shouldn't be that hard to cobble together. Unfortunately, the
Unfortunately, the design of the Kaslo kit makes the conversion to
round hatches a major job.
Actually, the details on
this one are much closer, but it still has the round hatches:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=236750
Stan
Stokrocki
What lettering (presumably CDS) do those who've built them or know
the prototypes or both suggest? Canadian government scheme is on the box,
so presumably that is one.
A Google image search for NSC
cylindrical hopper will give you a few ideas. Unfortunately, CDS
sets for the most common
Apparently, NWSL says a 40 S scale wheel is a 30 O
scale wheel
(which they are also out of - I checked), so those
would work as well.
The old Jon Beveridge/Cascade
wheelsets were NWSL 30 O scale wheels on an S axle. I believe they
were the Proto48/code115 profile.
Stan Stokrocki
If so, was there any update on expected delivery of the delayed
cylindrical hoppers?
They weren't there,
but some unassembled paint samples were. The finished cars are
supposedly in transit.
Stan Stokrocki
Am searching for some S-Scale side sill white safety stripes
(diagonal) for a CBQ Alco S-2 model. Anyone have a source,
preferably decal, not rub-on?
Here's a
possibility:
http://www.heraldkingdecals.com/Misc.html
Note
that they have a good sized out-of-stock list, and the website doesn't
Which other earlier diesels could have been seen to lashed
up with the SD60?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/emd111/7737633092/sizes/h/in/photostream/
Why
stop at diesels?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/emd111/7736269736/sizes/l/in/photostream/
Stan
Stokrocki
Dude--love the freight train!
I don't know if
that was ever done (you'd think it must have been at least once), but in
the Penn Central days I definitely did ride a dead RDC being shoved by a
second one. It got me home, eventually.
Stan Stokrocki
Lastly, as someone else has stated, this might just be a
streamlining of
the whole model paint spectrum where the same color
was marketed to different audiences with different labeling, and we might
still see a wide range of model paints, but all carrying the same label,
so boxcar red
We've previously discussed the 12-Piece Passenger Figure Set
#1 and #2 . These, and the unpainted bulk pack, were identical except for
the paint jobs.
I just stumbled across Set #3. These are totally
different from the previous offerings, and more nicely done.
The
stock number is 30-11067.
The whole thing needs some work, but I'm wondering if anyone set
one up for standard gauge using non-Tyco trucks.
The
wheelbase on the Tyco trucks is too long, and the performance is poor.
Years ago, I used Atlas (Roco) FP-7 trucks with Ace
33 wheelsets, and shortened the sideframes to
I believe the body was the plastic ATSF caboose from
Rail Line
(?) can't remember the name exactly, but these were the
fairly inexpensive cabooses that are still floating around.
Industrial Rail, now part of Atlas. Atlas dropped the 1/64
proportioned caboose from the line, and tooled
Would using the HO decals for S look too small?
A
lot of the Herald King dimensional data was on the large side, and is
suitable for S. Cobbling together lettering from several HO (and or O)
sets is an old S scale fact of life.
Stan Stokrocki
I was pleased to see the PS2 covered hoppers for Southern
Railway
At least the BNSF car is a reasonble
approximation:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=364732
The
NS car, not so close:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1798695
Stan
Stokrocki
From the Connecticut S Gaugers-
It is our sad duty to inform you
of the passing of Bill Fuhrman, our long time member and club President
for many years.
Bill had been in poor health recently, and
passed away on April 12th.
There will be no wake or funeral.
All arrangements will be family only.
If so, then all I need to do is to cut off the outlets,
scratchbuild more outlets and glue them on in new locations.
Right? Heck, even I could do that.
The Lionel car is an
early ACF Center Flow. The Canadian schemes belong on an NSC (National
Steel Car) hopper, as made by Kaslo.
Need to wake up the Research DeptEd Loizeaux
I'm still looking for some older photos, but these would have originally
carried the cigar band:
http://thecrhs.org/node/23912
Stan
Stokrocki
I am still looking as such a material is nice to have a stock
of it.
Special Shapes used to sell etched brass mesh
in various sizes, but it seems to be discontinued.
Plano makes
this: http://www.planomodelproducts.com/scratch_scq.html
Stan
Stokrocki
Speaking of Auto Rack and wrong PRR tracks, the photos are from
coming off of Rockville going into Enola about 4 years ago. A can opener
comes to mind.
This is why Conrail still ordered some
roofless auto racks long after fully enclosed racks became standard.
These were apparently added
Has anyone else tried to run these using the old
NASG module throttles? (Yes, I know I have to get with the
21st century one of these days.)Apart from the (annoying) sound effects, they
pretty much
only want to run in reverse, though if I do a few quick throttle
direction manipulations, I can
According to Miriam Webster on-line, a chair car has two seats
with
individually adjustable backs on either side if the
aisle.
As far as I know, a coach was a coach here in
the east, no matter what the seating. I believe a couple of the western
roads used chair car as a term for a coach
When I was getting ready to paint my FA and FB many, many years ago,
I used some kind of commercial tarnish remover, or silver cleaner
In reference to a future project (an Omnicon RDC), does
anyone have advice on painting and decaling nickel-plated
brass?
I'm happy enough with the
In spite of the difficulties I think the Alclad paint is the way to
go for
simulating stainless steel.
I know
many people think that, but I'm not sure I want to go that
far.
Thanks,
Stan Stokrocki
Either they shake loose or break under the loads of the
trains. SAL used them in industrial areas and on ballast deck bridges
back in the 1960's, but the screw fasteners would break and could not be
removed
...and, there seems to be a long history of
premature failure due to
When the NYC version comes out, I will be a happy camper
also.
I'm still not clear if the confusion over ordering
scale wheels has been resolved. Did someone finally find a SKU for the
scale version of the NYC unit? The last I knew, it wasn't in their
catalog update.
Stan Stokrocki
With the new modern locos I wish he might come out with some more
road names.
There were a bunch (including CR and CSX)
that were in the works before the Sanda Kan situation hit. I'd hope that
these are still in the plans somewhere down the road.
On the
other hand there are other styles of
There was an extensive discussion on another list a while back. The
consensus was that the original 3M connectors seem to work well, while may
of the no-name knockoffs tend to fail on a regular basis.
There was
some disagreement about whether anti-oxidation paste was
useful.
Stan Stokrocki
I was sort of looking for news about the SD-45 that Des Plaines
Hobbies
has been sort-of working on for several years now.
Anything new back
there in the eastern environs?
I gather there's slow but continuing progress- I didn't have an
opportunity to get into this with Ron. The previously
I hate to contradict you, but the business of preorders
has been around for a very long time in ALL scales.
The problem is not the business model itself. The problem is not
telling
anyone about it.
In that vein, I don't
know if this is some kind of semi-secret trial balloon. It
I hate to contradict you, but the business of preorders
has been around for a very long time in ALL scales.
The problem is not the business model itself. The problem is not
telling
anyone about it.
In that vein, I don't
know if this is some kind of semi-secret trial balloon. It
We are having trouble getting The DSL Shops urethane resin
building kits
to hold together after gluing.
I've used a combination of Pliobond and CA in the past- the
Pliobond tacks the joint together while the CA bonds. Lately, I've tried
adding a corner reinforcement with Gorilla Glue.
The Des Plaines versions are stunning in person, that's for sure.
As is their version of MMA #1. Prototype photo:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=388795
Don't
forget that American Models did the 40 foot cars in both BAR and NH
versions. A few modifications
Prototype photos of 10368 and 10405 appear in the Northern New
England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment.
A quick search turned up these (you probably need to copy
paste the long
URLs):
It is class N11e. Even a clearance diagram is better
than nothing.
Here's some info:
http://crcaboose.railfan.net/classes/N-11E.htm
Stan
Stokrocki
Got it from the historical society years ago when I planned to build
one
my drawings are for N6a/N9/N9e CR cabooses
instead.
Note that there are drawings on that website
for some of the other classes- the carbody dimensions appear to be
similar, though the frame lengths and details
I believe MR, probably 20+ years ago, did a series on short
passenger trains you can model for this very reason.
I'm pretty
sure one of them was Empire Service. In the late NYC/PC era, the standard
consist of a GCT/Albany train was an E8, one full coach and one snack bar
coach.
It's one
Dick, WOW, Nice! How'd you get the courage to chop up the GG-1?
Inspiration from the Wilmington Shops? It's definitely nicer
work than they did:
http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=100067
Stan
Stokrocki
Prompted by the above I made enquiry. I got this response, to
which I responded that I will cancel my order with Charles
Ro
well it looks like the division, has started, lionel
vs mth
I also emailed Lionel- they haven't gotten back
to me. It looks like I'll have to talk to my dealer as
They simply put out a feeler in their catalog and wait
to
see how the numbers roll in.
They have a long
inept history of half-hearted trial balloons and cold feet:
http://www.olsonhobbies.com/forsale/6381.jpg
Stan
Stokrocki
Take a look at the Lionel Flyer catalogue. there you will see that
they
are offering Scale wheelsets on the new hopper
cars and locos in S
scale
Actually, I've just
been looking at the Lionel 2012 Volume 2 catalog. It seems there are no
longer any separate order numbers for scale
Didn't some roads order GP-35s with trade in ALCO trucks?
These turned up on a quick search:
http://www.american-rails.com/images/TPW_DK_GP35.jpg
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures%5C51425%5Caa%20392.jpg
http://condrenrails.com/Frisco/Frisco%20Diesels/GP35/slsf726abp.jpg
Cushion draft gear boxes do not require extended couplers...
just movable draft gear parts.
Not always:
http://trainiax.net/photos/2008/2008-01-29-mma/photo-ttpx811224-5-2008-01-29-mma.jpg
See attachment for some HO scale samples of cushion draft
gear from Details West. Would something
We are looking for an unbuilt kit of the above
company's air slide
hopper. We are considering creating a new
kit using our laser technology.
It was basically a few
pieces of cardboard and some wood.
Please refer to prototype
drawings. Legend has it that an S gauge personality
It must have loomed large on the real railroads, too.
In any case the drawings weren't right, the materials were poor. After I
opened the kit, the wood went into my scrapbox, the rest was useless.
Jim Dan eventually came to the rescue.
Stan Stokrocki
California Roadbed sells homasote roadbed.
http://www.homabed.com/
Though don't expect quick
delivery. Discussion on another list suggests that they are backed up 8
to10 weeks on orders.
This may be related to the fact that
Midwest apparently has been backordering cork roadbed for
Wow, That came out very nice. Do you have any photos showing views
of the other sides?...DaveBranum
I can shoot some. The
lower part of rear wall is plain, since this is going to in front of the
layout, against a retaining wall carrying elevated tracks reachable by a
subway. This is the
Following up on the Cornerstone kitbashing discussion, my
cut-and-splice job on the Northern Light Power plant is just about
ready for painting.
Inspiration by a favorite prototype, combined
with a lot of time off, moved things along at a record-breaking pace. I
figured on getting to this
I mentioned to him that we may want to start with something that
there
is absolutely nothing of in S scale detail parts. A
generic snow plow
and a weed cutter snow plow.
Good choices- I'll get in touch with him. My other top
picks are a locomotive brake wheel and EMD door latches. I've
Has anyone had success chopping the nose on an American
Models GP9?
I did an NYSW GP-18 (with sloped EMD factory
nose). This was a complete scratchbuilt job, well before the DPM kit came
out. The Modeling Guide had an article on doing this.
If the sloped
nose clears (though the clearances
About a month ago I inquired to www.modeltechstudios.com
about making some very simplistic subway entrances to put on
my platforms instead of the people bridge.
What style
are you having made? I've kind of planned on knocking together something
like this out of 4 DPM modular walls:
Did I say I wanted simple? (:-)
I
guess so. If I can keep it simple, using DPM parts shouldn't be too much
more difficult.
Stan Stokrocki
Would any of the Imagine That products work into you plans?
Nothing there quite does it, but it looks like it might
be worth a suggestion for a future product.
About the closest
thing I can find is made by CMR, but unlike the rest of their products,
I'm not impressed.
I have
I like the idea of using the small shelters on the ends. I could
use 2
full sheds and 1 or 2 of the smaller shelters on the
ends.
It seems like a modular platform canopy kit should
be a logical candidate for the wood laser treatment, but I don't think
it's been done in any scale.
Here's a
If you change out the ends for Dreadnaught... the result is close to
the standard AAR gon of the 1940s, used by ACL, CNW and some others.
I'd bet a search of the list archive would find further details.
That would make it right for the DH, with either fixed
or drop ends. Some of these
Why would S scalers not like it that the two are competing?
Especially
if they will offer more and more stuff in scale as
well as highrail.
Because, if the sales volume for
a nearly identical product is diluted between two suppliers, they both
might decide that it's not worth it to
The fact that they are promoting these vanity schemes makes me
think
they don't understand the scale model railroad market as
well as they do
the toy train /collector market.
Scale modelers want to model the typical, not the unique. If NS has a
100 diesels in plain black for every 1
What was done by Steve Kutash to modify it for S?
I asked Steve. He replied-
Pretty much stock.
S figures look great, floors match up, front doors are
good,
only other doors are small. I highly recommend.
Stan
Stokrocki
Then have a look also at the containers in 1/64
10, 20, 40'
Look at
1/64 containers. More to come.
These are definitely welcome.
Are the
containers metal, or
something lighter; are they one-piece bodies or
flat kits?
Stan
Stokrocki
I forgot about this
one:
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-3064
Steve
Kutash has used it on one of the Connecticut
modules:
http://trainweb.org/csg/kutash/
I've been in the
prolonged process of modifying one for my own use. I believe it was
originally Bachmann. It's now part of
What was done by Steve Kutash to modify it for S? What are you doing
to modify it for S?
I believe Steve used it pretty much as
is. It does work that way.
I'm adding some height and new
doors.
Stan Stokrocki
The resemblance is uncanny. Be sure to show more photos when you
get
done.
I've made some progress since the
virtual concept stage. I'll shoot some photos in a bit.
Did you
saw off the bottom windows or plate them over??Me thinks they
may be large enough for an annex??You're reading
my
It would be interesting to see what Cornerstone Structures others
have
used in S.
I've used the O scale lumber
yard. The shed is pretty much usable as is, though I reduced the length to
fit the space available. I made the office into a storefront.
One of my longtime gripes is the lack
One of my longtime gripes is the lack of source material (in any
scale) for something resembling the architecture of a common northeastern
suburban station.
Here's an illustration of this. This
architecture is everywhere. The Pola (now Model Power) model of an English
prototype is about the
The AM bay window caboose is an Erie prototype. Some of them did carry the
extra-fancy EL scheme while in service:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1219496
Conrail
retained a bunch of these, while others went to the
DH:
While these might have worn NYC red (or is it brown?), the only similar
pictures I come up with are green or yellow. A model with the unique
piping would definitely be a conversation
starter.
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1733255
I just bought some brick styrene from Model Builders Supply Line.It's
supposed to be for HO but scales a perfect brick in S. I notice they have
product # 50050 Random Stone and #50051 Random
So does Plastruct, if that's what you can find
locally. The Plastruct and MBS sheets that I've seen are
Gents..Would anyone be able to steer me toward an online photo of an
EMD F-7 (or similar) showing the steam generator rooftop details?
Here's an
FL9:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1100139
Stan
Stokrocki
I'm looking to replace the universals on my SD60s. The collars
on the
shafts have cracked causing them to slip. I don't
want to replace them
new ones from AM because they are made
of plastic
The traditional standby has been the Hobbytown
universals, now sold by MicroMark. The balls and
... may never have been your dream vacation, but is anyone out there
likely to be around for
this?
http://nycshs.org/convention.php
I've had a request to
open the layout to visitors on Friday afternoon. A good part of the
decision rests on whether I'll be able to round up sufficient
help.
I have been gifted with a large partly used pail of wall board mud
and
wondering about what to do with it.
I did
my scenery with it (over styrofoam)- it's much easier to work with than
plaster. The only drawback is that if you just paint it, it will
inevitably chip and show white flecks.
And... an After shot, with and without some enhancement
(backdrop is pending, excuse the lighting).
Stan Stokrocki
MTH has always had a broad line from toy to scale products so I
see no
reason for him to change now.
And, they are doing
this kind of stuff in O (see attachment). I suspect SHS was an
inspiration.
Stan Stokrocki
Hazarding a guess, I would say that if past records are any
indication of
future performance, MTH will jump on the scale
bandwagon as well as
hirail.
They have done this with
O.
Especially since Don Mike proved that this is a
practical way of doing things. It's certainly a lot easier
With any luck, something for next year's Lionel
catalog-
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=398385nseq=0
Stan
Stokrocki
I expect to be there, along with Bill Mark.
Thanks,
Stan
Stokrocki
Is the detail pretty good on them...in the photo they look
like animal
crackers..
Since the question
has come up once again, here's the illustration of the factory-painted
assortment. The bulk pack consists of unpainted multiples of
these.
Stan Stokrocki
I haven't tried it as of yet, but I'm going to do some experimenting
with a roll of this stuff:
http://www.ramboard.com/info.php
Stan Stokrocki
I am about to use Tru-Color Paint for the first time - like in a few
hours.
It's supposedly the same stuff as the former
Accupaint.
Stan Stokrocki
I think it is fantastic that Lionel would offer...an Alcan hopper...it
is not a new ( modern) car but a very hard car to model...I am pretty
sure there are just two in S at this timemine and Stan S's I'm
looking forward to adding more..
Since this is
apparently the same prototype done
Speaking of what people have done, years ago I saw some photos in
the
S-Gaugian of someone who had kitbashed a GE U-25 using
Durham Industries shells. Never did find out what Durham Industries
sold.
I was more than done with the
if you had been there thread, but since you asked- cheap
Is not the S-trains list intended for the toy train guys?
The catalog splits the AF line into two categories: S
scale and
'Traditional'. That sounds similar to some other
manufacturers in S.
Exactly- Lionel is making an attempt
to do what AM, SSA and SHS do- arguably not as competently.
Even then, if not, you only need to supply copies of plans or photos
to Bob and it can still be produced.
Well, I've heard
from a bunch of people who are looking for Budd Amfleet cars. If there's
any way to do that outside of generating a CAD master, I'd like to know
about it.
Stan
We have the potential for SD70Aces in CNJ, Erie, DLW, RDG, PRR,
Wab, NW, Southern, or even Interstate. There is even going to be
an Illinois Terminal for Illinois fans. We are talking real live
prototype modern
diesels for our favorite fallen flag. fully
drive Lionel deeper into
S.
To
If you could get the sides and roofs made, what would you use as a
core kit?
That's my question. If I get my current
passenger project done, I'll look into getting the CADwork done for
urethane Amfleets. In the meantime, I'm just wondering if there's any
other method that might be more
But it's not a perfect world and never will be.
My
favorite toys when I was a child were not scale. but they
were
wonderful.
I did not have a tantrum when I did
not get exactly what I hoped for.
One year, in the depression,
there was nothing.
Especially since the $47.00
minimally
There's now information on the NS website. Note that, despite the
illustrations, the fleet will be split between EMD and GE units.
The
press release indicates that there will be an SD70ACe in lightning
stripe.
Maybe something for the next Lionel
catalog?
The Lionel website says the hopper is an ACF model. Isn't that
what
PRS--SSA produce?
The original ACF
CenterFlow cars were a cylindrical design, very different from the later
PRS model.
The ACF cylindrical is much more similar to the Kaslo
model of a Canadian-built NSC car, though it is
I need to have a standard coupler.
Kadee
#802 (or the rust-colored equivalent) is the most popular.
Since I
cut off the glad hands and uncouple manually, I've also bought the On3
Kadee #803 couplers when I've come across a good deal at train shows.
You're more likely to see them at a
For what it is worth, the Lionel/AF U33C with scale wheels
worked very well
A question for those of you who have
done the conversion.
Before I open anything up, I'd like to verify
that I have the correct parts- please see the photo.
It seems
strange that I have three type 3, but
I got the same parts
Thanks. As long as these work, I'll go
ahead. I just didn't want to have a bunch of microscopic screws kicking
around if I had to do a parts return.
Did Lionel send some
instructions? Sounds like maybe not.
Only a packing slip. The
Installing scale wheel sets
. . . . .how do they compare with American Models diesel wheels,
which I thought were #125 also.
I've attached a photo. The AM sets
are from an early FP-7.
Since I don't recall it being
mentioned, the replacement wheels are all flanged- I wasn't necessarily
making that
Is this something I should make a casting of Since i
swore
off diseasels I won't have a use for one, and I think I
have one, but
only one. somewhere among my thousands of brass
parts.
I was just talking to someone about the HO Detail
Associates horn kit. It has a bunch of
I am familiar with the cars you are talking about. Now that I
know what
you are thinking, I will have to pass. I model late
summer 1956.
My target era is turn of the century, though not in
the way people generally assume.
If I can get this project
accomplished, I want to see what can be
Progress on the Des Plaines SD-45 is coming along nicely. The body is
modular in nature, permitting different noses, cabs, ends, etc. Despite
this, the parts I saw all fit together seamlessly. Ron is working towards
ready-to-run units, but plans to make the parts available. This is a
I have an SP unit coming, but for a couple months now I have been
asking this and never had an answer Do the trucks pivot any at all in
those swing pilots..
They
swing together. I've attached a photo of the truck assembly. I haven't
had anything apart yet, but it appears that 2 screws
So do you think the pilot could be set stationary, drilled out
in the
clear and just allow the truck to pivot on the same
location?
It seems so. I've been waiting for wheels
before I do any experimenting.
Stan
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