Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Interface to Semigroupe

2010-03-17 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 04:53:48PM -0700, Anne Schilling wrote: Thanks for the report! It was indeed linking in one file which it was not supposed to, and that got uncaught under linux. Please try again with the new spkg on trac. Incidentally, it (hopefully) also fixes 64 bits support.

[sage-combinat-devel] Build a FreeModule with a step by step construction...

2010-03-17 Thread Nicolas Borie
Hello, As often in algebraic combinatoric, I compute very very huge FreeModule/VectorSpace... Let's me give some examples : - I have a Matrix algebra (Hecke like) defined by a set of 5 matrices of size factorial(5)*factorial(5) and I want to get a basis this algebra as a VectorSpace over Q. For

[sage-combinat-devel] Permutation and PermutationGroupElement

2010-03-17 Thread Vincent Delecroix
Hi, Just to mention few incompatibilities with two nice different objects in Sage: the Permutation and the PermutationGroupElement. I can understand that we need to distinguish the two objects (not so well), is it projected to have a fusion and if not why ? compatibility between them ? Which one

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: two operations on partitions

2010-03-17 Thread Vincent Delecroix
2) Is it consistent to define the following operation + on partition which sounds like concatenation on list {{{ sage: p = Partition([2, 1]) sage: p [2, 1] sage: q = Partition([3, 1]) [3, 1] sage: p + q [3, 2, 1, 1] }}} -1 on this: I'd rather denoting this operation by the union

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Interface to Semigroupe

2010-03-17 Thread Mike Hansen
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote: Thanks again for the portability beta testing and report! The next stage will be to try this on Windows and Solaris, and then it will be rock solid :-) Volunteers? Same directory naming issue on Cygwin, but

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Interface to Semigroupe

2010-03-17 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:54:03AM -0700, Mike Hansen wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Nicolas M. Thiery Thanks again for the portability beta testing and report! The next stage will be to try this on Windows and Solaris, and then it will be rock solid :-) Volunteers? Same

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Interface to Semigroupe

2010-03-17 Thread Mike Hansen
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote: Thanks! Did you try with the latest version I posted on trac (6 hours ago) ? In principle this issue should be fixed. Yes, I did. Here's the error if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I./config-Wall -pedantic

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Interface to Semigroupe

2010-03-17 Thread Mike Hansen
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote: By the way: is there a windows machine on Sagemath I could log on to for experimenting directly myself? Same question for MacOS X? Yes, there is winxp1, winxp2, winxp3 on boxen, but you'd need to get an account

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: Interface to Semigroupe

2010-03-17 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:41:08PM -0700, Mike Hansen wrote: Yes, there is winxp1, winxp2, winxp3 on boxen, but you'd need to get an account on those. For OSX, there is bsd.math.washington.edu, but you need a separate account for that too. Please! (I assume from your CC that William is in

[sage-combinat-devel] Re: Permutation and PermutationGroupElement

2010-03-17 Thread Jason Bandlow
Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: Snip * Output is by default list for Permutation and cycles for PermutationGroupElement That's more or less intentional; the user base are not quite the same, with a stronger influence of GAP for permutation groups. But this ought to be configurable. See

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: two operations on partitions

2010-03-17 Thread Florent Hivert
Hi Vincent, sage: set([1,2]) | (set([3])) set([1, 2, 3]) sage: p | q [3, 2, 1, 1] and keeping + for sage: p + q [5, 2] Note that, I always thing that + is a very bad choice of notation for concatenation. Id rather write it [1,2,3]|[3,2,4]. What do you think about

Re: [sage-devel] Re: univariate polynomial gcd is slow forn number fields

2010-03-17 Thread John Cremona
For an example of how polynomials over number fields are converted into pari polynomials, see sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_element.pyx, in the factor function. This is the code already used to factor polynomials over number fields by converting to pari. It is more complicated than one would

[sage-devel] Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released

2010-03-17 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, This release candidate cleans up warnings resulting from building the Sage documentation. If there are no show stoppers, then this release is considered the final release candidate. Source tarball: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/release/sage-4.3.4.rc0/sage-4.3.4.rc0.tar

[sage-devel] Re: should hard integrals be evaluated numericaly if they fail to be evaluated?

2010-03-17 Thread Pablo Angulo
Sorry to come back to this (two weeks) old topic, but what do you think about raising an exception whenever a symbolic integral (or any symbolic computation) fails? Otherwise, is there a simple way to distinguish a succesful integration from failed ones that are just indicated (e.g.,

[sage-devel] Build a FreeModule with a step by step construction...

2010-03-17 Thread Nicolas Borie
Hello, As often in algebraic combinatoric, I compute very very huge FreeModule/VectorSpace... Let's me give some examples : - I have a Matrix algebra (Hecke like) defined by a set of 5 matrices of size factorial(5)*factorial(5) and I want to get a basis this algebra as a VectorSpace over Q. For

Re: [sage-devel] Re: should hard integrals be evaluated numericaly if they fail to be evaluated?

2010-03-17 Thread Nick Alexander
On 17-Mar-10, at 10:18 AM, Mike Hansen wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:21 AM, Pablo Angulo pablo.ang...@uam.es wrote: Sorry to come back to this (two weeks) old topic, but what do you think about raising an exception whenever a symbolic integral (or any symbolic computation) fails?

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released

2010-03-17 Thread Jaap Spies
Minh Nguyen wrote: Hi folks, This release candidate cleans up warnings resulting from building the Sage documentation. If there are no show stoppers, then this release is considered the final release candidate. Sorry, but once again the build failed: gcc -fPIC -g

Re: [sage-devel] Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released

2010-03-17 Thread John Cremona
On 17 March 2010 09:23, Minh Nguyen nguyenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, This release candidate cleans up warnings resulting from building the Sage documentation. If there are no show stoppers, then this release is considered the final release candidate. Source tarball:

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released

2010-03-17 Thread mhampton
Built and all tests passed on 64-bit Ubuntu 9.10, and OS X 10.6.2. -Marshall On Mar 17, 3:23 am, Minh Nguyen nguyenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, This release candidate cleans up warnings resulting from building the Sage documentation. If there are no show stoppers, then this release is

[sage-devel] problems with ticket reviews

2010-03-17 Thread William Stein
Dear Sage-Devel, This is a short email to Sage developers to let them know that if they run into serious problems with how tickets they're involved with are being refereed, they should definitely feel OK with writing to me offlist about these issues.The problem will then get discussed offlist

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released

2010-03-17 Thread Alec Mihailovs
It's not related to this particular release - just in general. I tried to upgrade Sage in VirtualBox on Windows (from version 4.3 that I installed 2 days ago, which is the latest version distributed for Windows), and everything seemed fine for a while, but then I got the error message that I run

[sage-devel] How to find where to sig_on

2010-03-17 Thread Robert Miller
I'm having a frustrating time with this... I'm using signal.alarm to time out computations that take too long. In most cases they work, but sometimes they don't. The CPU stops spinning, but I don't get my prompt back, the program just hangs forever. I know this is due to a lack of sig_on/sig_off

[sage-devel] Re: How to find where to sig_on

2010-03-17 Thread Robert Miller
In fact, it really appears as though the place the code is getting stuck at *is* properly wrapped with _sig_on and _sig_off. What could be happening? On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Robert Miller r...@rlmiller.org wrote: I'm having a frustrating time with this... I'm using signal.alarm to

[sage-devel] Sage 4.3.4.rc0 builds ok on Solaris 10 (SPARC)

2010-03-17 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
I started a build of Sage 4.3.4.rc0 on 't2' and one of my own SPARCs. The build on 't2' is still going but it completed on on of my SPARCs at home. I just started to run the long doctests. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group,

Re: [sage-devel] Sage 4.3.4.rc0 builds ok on Solaris 10 (SPARC)

2010-03-17 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: I started a build of Sage 4.3.4.rc0 on 't2' and one of my own SPARCs. The build on 't2' is still going but it completed on on of my SPARCs at home. I just started to run the long doctests. Yeah! All this

[sage-devel] What's the most informative subject header ?

2010-03-17 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Minh posted the subject Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released a perfectly logical subject. Loads of people have replied so the subject becomes Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released. They report success/failure on various systems. So far there is only half a dozen, but in time there will probably be 20 or more of

Re: [sage-devel] What's the most informative subject header ?

2010-03-17 Thread Nick Alexander
On 17-Mar-10, at 4:27 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Minh posted the subject Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released a perfectly logical subject. Loads of people have replied so the subject becomes Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released. They report success/failure on various systems. So far there is only half a

Re: [sage-devel] What's the most informative subject header ?

2010-03-17 Thread Mike Hansen
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com wrote: So what do people think is best - reply directly to Minh's post, or start a new subject as I did? Like Nick said, keeping the threading is best. --Mike -- To post to this group, send an email to

[sage-devel] Parents with a natural action on a space

2010-03-17 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Dear Dima, dear Sage devs, Dan Bump recently raised the issue that the `lattice` method for Weyl groups is badly named. I agree, but the issue is more general. Hence, here is a call for good names. Let P be a parent endowed with a natural action (or representation) on a space `E`. For

[sage-devel] Re: How to find where to sig_on

2010-03-17 Thread Robert Miller
This is only part of the confusion, but it seems worthy to note: in sage.misc.misc: {{{ def cancel_alarm(): signal.signal(signal.SIGALRM, signal.SIG_IGN) }}} This leaves the clock counting, but sets it up so that the alarm gets ignored when it does go off. This is bad when someone else

Re: [sage-devel] Sage 4.3.4.rc0 builds ok on Solaris 10 (SPARC)

2010-03-17 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: I started a build of Sage 4.3.4.rc0 on 't2' and one of my own SPARCs. The build on 't2' is still going but it completed on on of my SPARCs at home. I just started to run the long doctests.

Re: [sage-devel] Sage 4.3.4.rc0 builds ok on Solaris 10 (SPARC)

2010-03-17 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: William Stein wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: I started a build of Sage 4.3.4.rc0 on 't2' and one of my own SPARCs. The build on 't2' is still going but

Re: [sage-devel] What's the most informative subject header ?

2010-03-17 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Nick Alexander wrote: On 17-Mar-10, at 4:27 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Minh posted the subject Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released a perfectly logical subject. Loads of people have replied so the subject becomes Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released. They report success/failure on various systems. So far

Re: [sage-devel] Sage 4.3.4.rc0 builds ok on Solaris 10 (SPARC)

2010-03-17 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: Personally I think that was a *very* bad idea. 95% of people won't read the list, so 95% of people will not read particular problems that were created by others that have an impact on

Re: [sage-devel] Sage 4.3.4.rc0 builds ok on Solaris 10 (SPARC)

2010-03-17 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Mar 17, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: William Stein wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: I started a build of Sage 4.3.4.rc0 on 't2' and one of my own SPARCs. The build on 't2' is still going but it completed on on of my

[sage-devel] Re: Parents with a natural action on a space

2010-03-17 Thread Alec Mihailovs
On Mar 17, 6:46 pm, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote:         Dear Dima, dear Sage devs, Dan Bump recently raised the issue that the `lattice` method for Weyl groups is badly named. I agree, but the issue is more general. Hence, here is a call for good names. Let P be a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released

2010-03-17 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Alec Mihailovs alec.mihail...@gmail.com wrote: It's not related to this particular release - just in general. I tried to upgrade Sage in VirtualBox on Windows (from version 4.3 that I installed 2 days ago, which is the latest version distributed for Windows),

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released

2010-03-17 Thread Alec Mihailovs
On Mar 17, 8:02 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't realize that the VirtualBox distro hadn't been upgraded in so long. I'll try hard to upgrade it to 4.3.4 and post a new version before I leave for Canada on Sunday morning.   (Upgrading it is not easy, as you found...) Thank

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released

2010-03-17 Thread Alec Mihailovs
Upgrading to that release on my 64-bit Ubuntu 9.10 (from Sage 4.1. something) everything went fine except fortran. Here are the related error messages sage-spkg fortran-20100118 21 Warning: Attempted to overwrite SAGE_ROOT environment variable fortran-20100118 ... Extracting package

Re: [sage-devel] Sage 4.3.4.rc0 builds ok on Solaris 10 (SPARC)

2010-03-17 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: But I will have to tell you publicly, I will not be subscribing to sage-solaris, and will take no further part in Sage development. It's a shame to see that you have quit over what seems to be a small

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released

2010-03-17 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Alec, On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Alec Mihailovs alec.mihail...@gmail.com wrote: Upgrading to that release on my 64-bit Ubuntu 9.10 (from Sage 4.1. something) everything went fine except fortran. Here are the related error messages Having a working gfortran compiler is a prerequisite

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released

2010-03-17 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Alec Mihailovs alec.mihail...@gmail.com wrote: Upgrading to that release on my 64-bit Ubuntu 9.10 (from Sage 4.1. something) everything went fine except fortran. Here are the related error messages sage-spkg fortran-20100118 21 Warning: Attempted to overwrite

Re: [sage-devel] Sage 4.3.4.rc0 builds ok on Solaris 10 (SPARC)

2010-03-17 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Mar 17, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: William Stein wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: I started a build of Sage 4.3.4.rc0 on 't2' and one of my own SPARCs. The build on 't2' is still going but it

[sage-devel] Re: Complex Coercion Error or User Error?

2010-03-17 Thread kstueve
Does anyone have information on the maximum size of an array of doubles in C? I seem to be getting abnormal results using elements past the first 1e6. What is the standard way to deal with very large (millions to billions of elements) arrays of data in C? Kevin Stueve -- To post to this group,

[sage-devel] hmm.[tab] = hidden markov models

2010-03-17 Thread William Stein
Hi, I'm curious if anybody reading this uses the Hidden Markov Models (HMM) code in Sage for anything. If so, send me an email, since I'm working on 100% replacing it by some brand new better quality code. In case you don't know, HMM's are a tool in statistics and machine learning, which play a

[sage-devel] how to set up a private sage server for a small group

2010-03-17 Thread Franco Saliola
Hello everyone, I want to set up a private notebook server for a small group of people, but the documentation for notebook? does not contain any examples for configuring such a server. It also points to a wiki page [1], which doesn't have the information, and to what seems to be a non-existent

Re: [sage-devel] how to set up a private sage server for a small group

2010-03-17 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Franco, On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Franco Saliola sali...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I'd really appreciate it if people could describe the way they configure such a private server. The following wiki page might help: http://wiki.sagemath.org/DanDrake/JustEnoughSageServer -- Regards

[sage-devel] Re: should hard integrals be evaluated numericaly if they fail to be evaluated?

2010-03-17 Thread Jason Grout
On 03/17/2010 11:40 AM, Nick Alexander wrote: On 17-Mar-10, at 10:18 AM, Mike Hansen wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:21 AM, Pablo Angulo pablo.ang...@uam.es wrote: Sorry to come back to this (two weeks) old topic, but what do you think about raising an exception whenever a symbolic integral

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 builds ok on Solaris 10 (SPARC)

2010-03-17 Thread Jason Grout
On 03/17/2010 06:41 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: What do you consider a Solaris-only issue? When a problem occurs with a particular release only on Solaris? If that is not put on sage-devel, you might as well say goodbye to keeping Sage building on Solaris. William, Can you point out a post

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Complex Coercion Error or User Error?

2010-03-17 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2010/3/18 kstueve kevin.stu...@gmail.com: Does anyone have information on the maximum size of an array of doubles in C?  I seem to be getting abnormal results using elements past the first 1e6.  What is the standard way to deal with very large (millions to billions of elements) arrays of data

[sage-devel] Re: hmm.[tab] = hidden markov models

2010-03-17 Thread Jason Grout
On 03/17/2010 10:38 PM, William Stein wrote: Hi, I'm curious if anybody reading this uses the Hidden Markov Models (HMM) code in Sage for anything. If so, send me an email, since I'm working on 100% replacing it by some brand new better quality code. In case you don't know, HMM's are a tool

Re: [sage-devel] Re: hmm.[tab] = hidden markov models

2010-03-17 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: On 03/17/2010 10:38 PM, William Stein wrote: Hi, I'm curious if anybody reading this uses the Hidden Markov Models (HMM) code in Sage for anything.  If so, send me an email, since I'm working on 100% replacing

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 released

2010-03-17 Thread Alec Mihailovs
Minh and William, Thank you very much and sorry that I didn't read about the prerequisites before upgrading. After installing gfortran (I did it system-wide, so setting SAGE_FORTRAN and SAGE_FORTRAN_LIB was not necessary), everything was going smooth. The installation,building, and tuning took

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 builds ok on Solaris 10 (SPARC)

2010-03-17 Thread Dima Pasechnik
William, While I think that posts here on a particular part of functionality (e.g. Solaris port) *continuing to work after an update* should not happen here, only posts on particular parts of functionality *ceasing to work* should be welcome (Dave, please take the note), (while such posts would

Re: [sage-devel] Re: should hard integrals be evaluated numericaly if they fail to be evaluated?

2010-03-17 Thread Nick Alexander
On 17-Mar-10, at 10:12 PM, Jason Grout wrote: On 03/17/2010 11:40 AM, Nick Alexander wrote: On 17-Mar-10, at 10:18 AM, Mike Hansen wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:21 AM, Pablo Angulo pablo.ang...@uam.es wrote: Sorry to come back to this (two weeks) old topic, but what do you think about

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 builds ok on Solaris 10 (SPARC)

2010-03-17 Thread Nick Alexander
On 17-Mar-10, at 10:21 PM, Jason Grout wrote: On 03/17/2010 06:41 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: What do you consider a Solaris-only issue? When a problem occurs with a particular release only on Solaris? If that is not put on sage-devel, you might as well say goodbye to keeping Sage building

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.4.rc0 builds ok on Solaris 10 (SPARC)

2010-03-17 Thread Nick Alexander
On 17-Mar-10, at 10:41 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: William, While I think that posts here on a particular part of functionality (e.g. Solaris port) *continuing to work after an update* should not happen here, only posts on particular parts of functionality *ceasing to work* should be welcome