[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2015-01-12 Thread kcrisman
Hopefully it's becoming stable enough that we should start shipping it as part of Sage? At first I thought so, too. But now I'm no longer sure: if you ship it with Sage, then it will be difficult to use it if you want to work with a patch from an older branch. So we

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2015-01-12 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 3:00 AM, Simon King simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote: Hi! On 2015-01-11, Nils Bruin nbr...@sfu.ca wrote: On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 12:54:56 AM UTC-8, Martin von Gagern wrote: On 11.01.2015 09:38, Robert Bradshaw wrote: Hopefully it's becoming stable enough that

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2015-01-09 Thread Volker Braun
On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 5:10:03 PM UTC+1, martin@gmx.net wrote: Hadn't known of git-trac before. Since the tool has some sage settings hard-wired into it, perhaps it should be called git-sage instead, to avoid clashes? My goal was to keep git-trac as independent as possible from

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2015-01-09 Thread martin . vgagern
Hadn't known of git-trac before. Since the tool has some sage settings hard-wired into it, perhaps it should be called git-sage instead, to avoid clashes? Recently I've been using git the hard way for pretty much everything except pushing, for which I used ./sage -dev push --ticket in the hope

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Simon King
Hi Dima, On 2014-12-26, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO dev scripts should be retired. Does anyone use them? I found them quite practical, and you may recall from the discussions in Paris that I'd like them to be extended so that they are also able to send bug reports to the bug

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
I found them quite practical, and you may recall from the discussions in Paris that I'd like them to be extended so that they are also able to send bug reports to the bug trackers of Singular/Gap/..., so that there is no need to google how to report bugs in Singular. Nonetheless, I stopped

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Nathann, that's about git in developer docs, so that's not 100% off the thread :-) One thing that is confusing in the Git the hard way is that the example of git fetch in http://sagemath.org/doc/developer/manual_git.html#checking-out-tickets does not show a line like * [new branch]

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
Yo ! Nathann, that's about git in developer docs, so that's not 100% off the thread :-) Well, as long as we can close the question related to the removal of the sage-dev scripts, I personally don't care what this thread becomes. But I need to know what to do with that ! :-P One thing that

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2014-12-27, Nathann Cohen nathann.co...@gmail.com wrote: Yo ! Nathann, that's about git in developer docs, so that's not 100% off the thread :-) Well, as long as we can close the question related to the removal of the sage-dev scripts, I personally don't care what this thread becomes.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
Once again: whenever I do git fetch from trac I get a local branch created on the spot: Can you give us the command that you type that produces this result ? Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2014-12-27, Nathann Cohen nathann.co...@gmail.com wrote: Once again: whenever I do git fetch from trac I get a local branch created on the spot: Can you give us the command that you type that produces this result ? I did give it here:

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2014-12-27, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-12-27, Nathann Cohen nathann.co...@gmail.com wrote: Once again: whenever I do git fetch from trac I get a local branch created on the spot: Can you give us the command that you type that produces this result ? I did give it

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
Yo ! I did give it here: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/JtVWAdvw-3A/603M_PziLfUJ (if it matters, my git version is 1.9.1) Oh !!! That's because your git instal contains a complete copy of the trac's git server. You've got ALL branches on your computer. So when you

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Volker Braun
I'm in favor of removing the dev scripts eventually, but not right now. There is still some useful functionality for importing old patches, and maybe somebody uses them. The documentation should already be clear enough that this is not the currently recommended way to use git. I'm fine with

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2014-12-27, Nathann Cohen nathann.co...@gmail.com wrote: Yo ! I did give it here: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/JtVWAdvw-3A/603M_PziLfUJ (if it matters, my git version is 1.9.1) Oh !!! That's because your git instal contains a complete copy of the trac's

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
I don't know how one can automatically maintain a mirror of git trac, without running a special script, and I believe I don't do this. I believe that it is what happens in your case, because that's the default. If you want to check, you can git clone Sage again and fetch a branch from there.

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2014-12-27, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-12-27, Nathann Cohen nathann.co...@gmail.com wrote: Yo ! I did give it here: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/JtVWAdvw-3A/603M_PziLfUJ (if it matters, my git version is 1.9.1) Oh !!! That's because

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2014-12-27, Nathann Cohen nathann.co...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know how one can automatically maintain a mirror of git trac, without running a special script, and I believe I don't do this. I believe that it is what happens in your case, because that's the default. Are you saying that

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
Are you saying that the default is to constantly pull the data from the remote, in the background? Really? Type git branch. If you see one thousand things you never fetched from trac, that's a confirmation. Could you point to documentation confirming this? I do not think that it is written

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2014-12-27, Nathann Cohen nathann.co...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying that the default is to constantly pull the data from the remote, in the background? Really? Type git branch. If you see one thousand things you never fetched from trac, that's a confirmation. Could you point to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
Further, 'Git the hard way' should be consistent, but it does not tell you about '--single-branch'. Dima: If you want it to change, do something. 1) Write doc tickets 2) help me review mine. well, before improving at this point, we need to dig up the truth :-) I gave you two ways out: 1)

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
On Friday, December 26, 2014 9:07:06 PM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: On 2014-12-26, Volker Braun vbrau...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: --=_Part_5531_1685050387.1419616059330 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_Part_5532_1775001320.1419616059330

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread mmarco
I reglarly use the dev scripts. So i would really appreciate if they remain. But of course, if they are removed i will adapt to plain git or git trac. But my personal preference is to keep them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
I reglarly use the dev scripts. So i would really appreciate if they remain. Oh. Well, the developer's manual advises you to NOT use them :-P But of course, if they are removed i will adapt to plain git or git trac. But my personal preference is to keep them. Could you why you use them

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Volker Braun
On Saturday, December 27, 2014 1:22:29 PM UTC+1, Nathann Cohen wrote: Type git branch. If you see one thousand things you never fetched from trac, that's a confirmation. The output of git branch will always only contain branches that you created locally. There is a slight difference

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
The output of git branch will always only contain branches that you created locally. Okay. Then Dima: instead of git branch try git branch -a. It gives only two lines on my version, but my guess is that it will take several screens for you. Only because of the --single-branch flag. Nathann

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Volker Braun
-a, --all List both remote-tracking branches and local branches. I of course agree that you can set git to not look at remote branches, but as long as you don't explicitly ask for the list of remote branches they are not shown in the output of git branch. And, regardless of

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread mmarco
Could you why you use them instead of 'git trac' ? Is there something that they do and that git trac can't do ? As i said, it is just what i am used to. It is what i did learn to use in the beginning, and up to now i didn't had any reason to stop using them. I don't really know what

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread mmarco
Sorry, it seems my message was interrupted. If you want to remove the documentation about them from the developper guide, it is ok with me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
If you want to remove the documentation about them from the developper guide, it is ok with me. Okay okay, fine. I think that I will do that then, unless somebody objects. This way those who still use them can continue, and we hope that in something like 6 months~1 year you will have switched

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-27 Thread Nathann Cohen
The branch is there, ready for a review: http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/17555 Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-26 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2014-12-26, Nathann Cohen nathann.co...@gmail.com wrote: --f46d043c7edc287181050b1f0d5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Helloo everybody ! There is no pub in a radius of 40km of where I live, so I spend my evenings rewriting Sage's developer manual. Tonight I have two

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-26 Thread Nathann Cohen
By the way, I noticed some change in the behaviour of trac git server; it seems that fetching u/foo/bar automatically results in creation of a local branch trac/u/foo/bar. Is this documented anywhere? No idea. Really, these days I am trying to make the developer's manual something I can

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-26 Thread Volker Braun
On Friday, December 26, 2014 6:23:43 PM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: By the way, I noticed some change in the behaviour of trac git server; it seems that fetching u/foo/bar automatically results in creation of a local branch trac/u/foo/bar. No it doesn't. Local branches would be in the

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-26 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2014-12-26, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: --=_Part_5531_1685050387.1419616059330 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_Part_5532_1775001320.1419616059330 --=_Part_5532_1775001320.1419616059330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Friday,

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-26 Thread Volker Braun
I'd say by definition a git branch is what is listed by git branch. Having said that, it is just a label for a commit. There are other kinds of labels for commits, for example tags. Whenever you fetch (pull) something from a remote a local copy (of the commits on the remote) is made, and they

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-26 Thread Nathann Cohen
Hey guys... I hate to interrupt your debugging but I had a question about Sage-devel. Can I create a patch to remove that, in the end ? Nathann On 27 December 2014 at 03:45, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say by definition a git branch is what is listed by git branch. Having

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-26 Thread Nathann Cohen
Hey guys... I hate to interrupt your debugging but I had a question about The Sage dev scripts. Can I create a patch to remove that, in the end ? Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-26 Thread François
If you do remove them don't forget to remove the associated documentation. That is remove sage/dev but also doc/en/reference/dev and apply this little patch too https://github.com/cschwan/sage-on-gentoo/blob/master/sci-mathematics/sage-doc/files/sage-doc-dev.patch François On Saturday,

[sage-devel] Re: The Sage dev scripts

2014-12-26 Thread Ralf Stephan
Very good. I guess the respective still open tickets are wontfix then... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To