RE: Console Coupe

2000-10-09 Thread Jarek Adamski
Dnia 00-10-06 Aley Keprt pisze: My favourite configuration is a hard drive, which contains all Sam files on it, not divided into 800kb segments (virtual dskettes). Again NOT divided. What about real hardware? Maybe some little DOS can be done in emulator, so it don't waste too much memory

Re: Console Coupe

2000-10-06 Thread Aley Keprt
On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Simon Cooke wrote: From: Aley Keprt [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, I don't think so. If there's no auto* file, it can't boot. You probably misunderstand that the algo above is designed to boot diskettes without DOS. Diskettes with games (and usually very special version of

Re: Console Coupe

2000-10-06 Thread Simon Cooke
From: Aley Keprt [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should perhaps restate your argument -- I didn't quite understand you. Though if I'm reading this correctly, you should note that I wrote the copy protection software for Parallax, cracked more games than I care to remember (for my own personal

Re: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Jarek Adamski
Dnia 00-09-29 Ian Collier pisze: You can use whatever filetypes you like - have one for autoboot and one for not-autoboot if you really want (after all, what's in a name? It's just an entry in the registry) - but I'm not sure I see the point in the not-autoboot one so one might as well just

Re: Console Coupe - more complete calculations

2000-10-05 Thread Jarek Adamski
Dnia 00-10-02 Howard Price pisze: Is it just me, or did it suddenly get geekier in here? :-) What is it? But is there really positive and negative zeroes? It's peaked my geeky interest. They are only if you define them. I defined them as value smaller (as absolute) than smalest value having

Re: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Jarek Adamski
Dnia 00-09-29 Ian Collier pisze: Lim (n-0) n / n^2 = 0/0 = infinity because n/n^2 == 1/n Try Lim (n-0) n / (n+n^2) and you get 1 as result. -- Yarek.

Re: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Aley Keprt
Dnia 00-09-29 Ian Collier pisze: You can use whatever filetypes you like - have one for autoboot and one for not-autoboot if you really want (after all, what's in a name? It's just an entry in the registry) - but I'm not sure I see the point in the not-autoboot one so one might as

Re: Console Coupe - more complete calculations

2000-10-05 Thread Aley Keprt
Dnia 00-10-02 Howard Price pisze: Is it just me, or did it suddenly get geekier in here? :-) What is it? But is there really positive and negative zeroes? It's peaked my geeky interest. They are only if you define them. I defined them as value smaller (as absolute) than smalest

RE: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Simon Owen
Jarek Adamski wrote: 1. Insert disk selected by user. 2. Load booted DOS snapshot. 3. Press F9. I do like this idea - would be very handy to restore common working environments etc. Just needs snapshot support implementing, and when combined with the existing autoboot (and fast reset)

Re: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Simon Cooke
From: Aley Keprt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or, if it is possible, state after booting DOS can be saved as snapshot (this means with DOS in memory and modified some system variables), then: 1. Insert disk selected by user. 2. Load booted DOS snapshot. 3. Press F9. I'd add only if there is

RE: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Simon Owen
Simon Cooke wrote: Make that only if track 4, sector 1 contains BOOT (last character has bit 7 set) as bytes 124-127. That'll handle games too. Thanks for the info Si - never knew about that signature. I was gonna dig that out of the SAMDOS/MasterDOS source but I'd not got around to it.

Re: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Aley Keprt
Simon Cooke wrote: Make that only if track 4, sector 1 contains BOOT (last character has bit 7 set) as bytes 124-127. That'll handle games too. Thanks for the info Si - never knew about that signature. I was gonna dig that out of the SAMDOS/MasterDOS source but I'd not got around to

Re: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Aley Keprt
From: Aley Keprt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or, if it is possible, state after booting DOS can be saved as snapshot (this means with DOS in memory and modified some system variables), then: 1. Insert disk selected by user. 2. Load booted DOS snapshot. 3. Press F9. I'd add only

RE: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Simon Owen
Aley Keprt wrote: No, I don't think so. If there's no auto* file, it can't boot. Simon Cooke's method is generic and does not rely on what the bootable code actually is - it'll be what the ROM bootstrap checks for before running the code, and if it's missing you'll get a 'No DOS' error. It

RE: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Chris White
Hello my turn now :) Si Wrote I guess as long as sector 1 of track 4 is a regular 512 bytes in size, and contains the BOOT signature and some bootable code, it doesn't matter what the code is or what the rest of the disk looks like. SimCoupe only needs to be concerned whether the signature

Re: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Aley Keprt
Aley Keprt wrote: No, I don't think so. If there's no auto* file, it can't boot. Simon Cooke's method is generic and does not rely on what the bootable code actually is - it'll be what the ROM bootstrap checks for before running the code, and if it's missing you'll get a 'No DOS' error.

RE: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Simon Owen
Chris White wrote: Trk4:Sec1 , can be anysize you wish ( think one of mine was 1024 , can't remeber which ) , Ah, ok. I didn't think regular DOS would touch anything except 512 byte sectors - does it actually read in the full sector, or just the first part?. Quick check of Prince of Persia

Re: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Aley Keprt
Hello my turn now :) Si Wrote I guess as long as sector 1 of track 4 is a regular 512 bytes in size, and contains the BOOT signature and some bootable code, it doesn't matter what the code is or what the rest of the disk looks like. SimCoupe only needs to be concerned whether the

Re: Console Coupe

2000-10-05 Thread Simon Cooke
From: Aley Keprt [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, I don't think so. If there's no auto* file, it can't boot. You probably misunderstand that the algo above is designed to boot diskettes without DOS. Diskettes with games (and usually very special version of DOS) can be booted classically, i.e. you

Re: Console Coupe - more complete calculations

2000-10-02 Thread Simon Cooke
From: Jarek Adamski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dnia 00-09-28 Aley Keprt pisze: So why cannot we accept any (numeric) answer? 0*anything=0 infinite*anything=infinite This implies that 0=infinite. Well... 0 * anything = 0 only when this anything isn't infinite, and infinite * anything =

Re: Console Coupe - more complete calculations

2000-10-02 Thread Ian Collier
On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 12:04:03AM -0700, Simon Cooke wrote: Hmmm... looks like everyone's ignoring the transfinite set of numbers, Cantor sets, and Aleph^0, Aleph^1, Aleph^2, etc. The transfinite ordinals are ordinals, not numbers; and the Alephs are cardinals, not necessarily numbers either.

Re: Console Coupe - more complete calculations

2000-10-02 Thread Andrew Gale
Also, the fact that you can have positive and negative zero... In what branch of mathematics? I've never heard of it. I guess Simon's talking about 1's complement numbers, or sign+magnitude binary representation of -ve numbers.

Re: Console Coupe - more complete calculations

2000-10-02 Thread Ian Collier
On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 11:12:08AM +0100, Andrew Gale wrote: I guess Simon's talking about 1's complement numbers, or sign+magnitude binary representation of -ve numbers. In that case that's two different representations of the same number, rather than two different numbers. (Despite what the

Re: Console Coupe - more complete calculations

2000-10-02 Thread Aley Keprt
On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 12:04:03AM -0700, Simon Cooke wrote: Hmmm... looks like everyone's ignoring the transfinite set of numbers, Cantor sets, and Aleph^0, Aleph^1, Aleph^2, etc. The transfinite ordinals are ordinals, not numbers; and the Alephs are cardinals, not necessarily numbers

Re: Console Coupe - more complete calculations

2000-10-02 Thread Howard Price
Is it just me, or did it suddenly get geekier in here? :-) But is there really positive and negative zeroes? It's peaked my geeky interest. On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 12:04:03AM -0700, Simon Cooke wrote: Hmmm... looks like everyone's ignoring the transfinite set of numbers, Cantor sets, and

Re: Console Coupe - more complete calculations

2000-10-02 Thread Aley Keprt
Hey man, your subscribe is longer than your message! Is it just me, or did it suddenly get geekier in here? :-) But is there really positive and negative zeroes? It's peaked my geeky interest. The NTICS Group: providers of Database Services to learndirect and Sheffield TEC. Contract

Re: Console Coupe - more complete calculations

2000-10-02 Thread Howard Price
At 16:31 02/10/2000 +0200, you wrote: Hey man, your subscribe is longer than your message! Don't I know it! - Nothing to do with me - I'm forcefully appended by a central 'bureacracy computer', cos I work for the council. They think that anything I send over E-mail might get them into court.

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-29 Thread Ian Collier
On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 10:42:08PM +0100, Tim P wrote: If so you just need to get it to autoboot. I remember imc posting a patch to the ROM image that would make it do just that. I appear to have lost the email now though. I did indeed. - Date: Wed, 21

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-29 Thread Ian Collier
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 10:03:29AM +0100, Simon Owen wrote: Dave Whitmore wrote: would it be possible to alter a DSK image, to another filetype with a different extension that could be recognised by Windows (or another GUI O/S) to launch Sim Coupe, and in turn boot itself. You can use

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-29 Thread Ian Collier
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 10:29:11AM +0100, Howard Price wrote: This is a 'how many angels can dance on the head of a pin' innit? 'Dividing into zero, equally-sized parts'. Never gonna happen, except in my beloved school dinners. With 0/0 you are dividing zero into zero equally-sized parts,

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-29 Thread Aley Keprt
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 01:26:27PM +0200, Frode Tenneboe wrote: Actually, the answer is depends...on what mathematics is involved. Infinity is probably not correct answer in any of the mathematical directions I know of. Lim (n-0) n / n^2 = 0/0 = infinity This is not what we wanted,

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-29 Thread Ian Collier
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 01:35:51PM +0200, Aley Keprt wrote: This is not what we wanted, since 0/0 is not lim0/0. 0/0 is undefined - it can be anything. But we could define it as the limit of some operation x/y where x and y both tend to 0. This isn't *the* definition, but it is *a* definition.

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-29 Thread Howard Price
And I mean immutable, not commutable, don't I? -tob The NTICS Group: providers of Database Services to learndirect and Sheffield TEC. Contract management: Sheffield Libraries, Archives Information Service. National Training Information Central Support Unit 4 AVEC 1 Sidney Street Sheffield S1

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-29 Thread Howard Price
Aley Keprt wrote: zero divided by zero was. We had people arguing for '0/x = 0', others for 'x/x = 1' and the rest as 'x/0 = undefined'. If you assume that all of the above are true and commutable, you must also assume that on the graph where these equations drawn, the point x=0 is where

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-29 Thread Ian Collier
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 01:05:58PM +0100, Howard Price wrote: Right that's sorted. Who's up for square root of minus one? No i's in the answer please. j [engineer's answer] imc (no, not an engineer)

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Dave Whitmore
I'll elaborate on my original question. What I was trying to say was, would it be possible to alter a DSK image, to another filetype with a different extension that could be recognised by Windows (or another GUI O/S) to launch Sim Coupe, and in turn boot itself. In my mind, the emulator (and

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Aley Keprt
-- - Original Message - From: Dave Whitmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 1:08 AM Subject: Re: Console Coupe I'll elaborate on my original question. What I was trying to say was, would it be possible to alter a DSK image, to another filetype

RE: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Simon Owen
Dave Whitmore wrote: would it be possible to alter a DSK image, to another filetype with a different extension that could be recognised by Windows (or another GUI O/S) to launch Sim Coupe, and in turn boot itself. Yes - you can set up an associated application to be run when you double-click

RE: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Simon Owen
Aley Keprt wrote: You don't need any special software to do this, as soon as Si re-enables his autoboot option. I found it does already work in the latest released version, and just needs a '-autoboot 1' option added to the command-line along with the -disk1 disk path.When I tried it last

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Howard Price
Well, things haven't been that off-topic for a while. I accidentally started an argument on IRC the other day by bringing up the question of what zero divided by zero was. We had people arguing for '0/x = 0', others for 'x/x = 1' and the rest as 'x/0 = undefined'. Perhaps we should do the

RE: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Justin . Skists
The answer is infinity... -Original Message- From: Howard Price [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:29 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Console Coupe Well, things haven't been that off-topic for a while. I accidentally started

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Aley Keprt
Well, things haven't been that off-topic for a while. I accidentally started an argument on IRC the other day by bringing up the question of what zero divided by zero was. We had people arguing for '0/x = 0', others for 'x/x = 1' and the rest as 'x/0 = undefined'. Perhaps we should

RE: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Adrian Brown
Title: RE: Console Coupe It has a real answer too usually - crash'n'burn -Original Message- From: Aley Keprt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 28 September 2000 12:10 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Console Coupe Well, things haven't been that off-topic for a while. I

RE: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Frode Tenneboe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The answer is infinity... Actually, the answer is depends...on what mathematics is involved. Infinity is probably not correct answer in any of the mathematical directions I know of. -Frode

RE: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Justin . Skists
My A-levels maths teacher tried explaining unreal numbers to me.. I never did get my head around them! -Original Message- From: Frode Tenneboe [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:26 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Console Coupe [EMAIL

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Aley Keprt
-- - Original Message - From: Frode Tenneboe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 1:26 PM Subject: RE: Console Coupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The answer is infinity... Actually, the answer

RE: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Justin . Skists
yes -Original Message- From: Aley Keprt [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:41 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Console Coupe What was the question? 0/0? -- Bc.Aley [eili

RE: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Simon Owen
Aley Keprt wrote: What was the question? 0/0? Yes. Of course I forgot the 4th option of 0/0 = 42... Si

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Aley Keprt
-5387035 (weekends) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** http://get.to/aley -- - Original Message - From: Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: RE: Console

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-28 Thread Howard Price
] *** http://get.to/aley -- - Original Message - From: Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: RE: Console Coupe Aley Keprt wrote: What was the question

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-27 Thread Tim P
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Dave Whitmore wrote: What are the chances of making a DSK or SAD image (or altering an existing one) so that when clicked on in Windows, it'll launch the emulator and autoboot? Good I'd hope. It was certainly possible to associate a .DSK image with the DOS SimCoupe and

RE: Console Coupe

2000-09-27 Thread Simon Owen
Tim P wrote: It was certainly possible to associate a .DSK image with the DOS SimCoupe and have the it run with the disk image specified on the commandline. Does Si's windows version have a similar commandline? It does have a '-disk1 path' option that can be used in the same way. It also has

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-27 Thread Aley Keprt
-- - Original Message - From: Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:57 PM Subject: RE: Console Coupe Tim P wrote: It was certainly possible to associate a .DSK image with the DOS

RE: Console Coupe

2000-09-27 Thread Simon Owen
Aley Keprt wrote: you can simply wait until keyboard port is read. Then you can simulate F9. That's how I did it :-) If you do this twice (maybe more), it should be enough to let it autoboot, That was the plan, tho it seemed to require a couple of hundred to do it, which seemed strange.

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-27 Thread Aley Keprt
Aley Keprt wrote: you can simply wait until keyboard port is read. Then you can simulate F9. That's how I did it :-) If you do this twice (maybe more), it should be enough to let it autoboot, That was the plan, tho it seemed to require a couple of hundred to do it, which seemed

RE: Console Coupe

2000-09-27 Thread Simon Owen
Aley Keprt wrote: If you autoboot non-bootable disk, you simply get no dos. So what? Just for neatness really - if it knows it's not bootable then there's no point in trying. I have CD-ROM as my first boot choice in the BIOS on my PC. If there's a regular data CD in it it'll continue on to

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-27 Thread Aley Keprt
Aley Keprt wrote: If you autoboot non-bootable disk, you simply get no dos. So what? Just for neatness really - if it knows it's not bootable then there's no point in trying. I think we are talking about nothing. (How do you Engishs call this?) We can continue with talking about how

RE: Console Coupe

2000-09-27 Thread Simon Owen
Aley Keprt wrote: I think we are talking about nothing. (How do you Engishs call this?) We can continue with talking about how orange is orange, as Al Bundy did in that famous tv programme. Well, things haven't been that off-topic for a while. I accidentally started an argument on IRC the

Re: Console Coupe

2000-09-27 Thread Aley Keprt
Aley Keprt wrote: I think we are talking about nothing. (How do you Engishs call this?) We can continue with talking about how orange is orange, as Al Bundy did in that famous tv programme. Well, things haven't been that off-topic for a while. I accidentally started an argument on