Further to this I was able finally test with Win98se with the same results
though watching the clock this time shows that there was no timeout errors
not at least within a 10minute period!!!
Since the site has decided against using XP I decide to roll-back to
2.2.0a which is the default for
Hi Fahmi,
Fahmi Mohamed [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 05.06.02:
I would like to create a share that has read access
for groupA, read/write access for groupB. No access
to anyone else.
how about
valid users = @groupA, @groupB
writeable = no
write list = @groupB
der tom
[fli4l-team]
I am trying to get samba to work with win98se. I have my smb.conf
configured correctly (or so I've been told by two people who have it
working for them) I am having the apparently common problem of linux not
accepting my password due to win98 using encrypted passwords and Linux
not using them. I
Hi
I have made a 2 shared directories on my Samba Server, then I have made
the one read only and the other one access to a spesific user, but now I
want to hide the one directory so that only that user can see it. How do
I do that .
Thanks Schalk
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Hi,
I'm running a linux RedHat 7.2 box with samba 2.2.4.
I want to use winbind for authentification.
The samba server is a member server in a W2K domain.
I followed the steps in the winbind help which comes with the samba
distribution (http://localhost:901/swat/help/winbind.html).
Joining the
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Hello
I have set up a Faxserver on my network, i use Samba and Hylafax.
When a user prints his/her document to the samba printer the printer
runs a script called SambaFax that extracts the faxnumber from the fax
and then sends it to HylaFax.
But i can't get the samba to get the real owner of
Hello.
We are running samba-2.2.2 on a SunOS 5.7 sparc server, as a PDC.
A few minutes ago, users could not log in workstations/servers with
errors like 'Domain not available' during 5-10 minutes...I checked the
log files, and found something really strange :
log.chaillol:
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, WEBSTER, Greg wrote:
This may be an impossible question, and I don't mean to be a mean
taskmaster, but what kind of timeframe are we looking at for a 3.x release?
Our office is a mongrelmix of Linux, W2k, and NT and while we are definitely
not going to go to an XP
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Hi !
I'm runing a linux redhat 7.2 box with samba 2.2.4.
I've downloaded the samba source in order to install it with the
needed compilation options (--with-smbwrapper --with-automount
--with-smbmount --with-pam ...).
Samba is now up and running but I would like to build an rpm with this
Hello,
i'm new to the the list so excuse me if I ask for an old problem, but i found no
solution in the archive.
I try to set up a rh 7.3 server with samba 2.4 as PDC for win2000 sp2 clients.
I configured the samba to create the machine accounts on the fly. When I try to join
the domain the
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Klaus Zahradnik wrote:
Nope, I just checked in a Book. It can't act as a Backup Domain
Controler. :o(
We are talking about two different things here.
Samba cannot act as a BDC for a Windows PDC, but
my tests showed that we can act as a BDC for another
Samba box.
Hi,
I am a new Samba user.
I would like to create a share that has read access
for groupA, read/write access for groupB. No access
to anyone else.
I played around a bit by adding groupA to the Read
only groups and groupB to the Read write groups.
It works fine for people in groupA and groupB,
H-disk share is /home/%U/disk
User1 H: - /home/user1/disk (h-disk)
User2 H: -- /home/user2/disk (h-disk)
When User1 opens a file H:Øfoo.doc and then User2 opens a file on this share
with the _same_ name (H:Øfoo.doc) we get from Word (office programs?):
Foo.doc
Dear Mr/Mrs,
You have send our company an e-mail with the subject:
samba digest, Vol 1 #1266 - 21 msgs
wich contains a virus according to our virusscanner.
It is also possible that a virus misuses your e-mail
address, in that case sorry for the accusation. In that case
please see this mail as a
Title: funny error message
unable to connect to SMB server on machine 127.0.0.1. Error was : SUCCESS - 0.
I don't have smb running, I'm just testing some codepage compiles... this message is generated by smbpasswd
i.e. samba not running; run smbpasswd; enter through prompts; I wonder if
Dear team,
I have configured our linux samba server as member
of NT domain
For your info our Linux OS is using redhat
6.2
All thing is OK but sometime I got the problem if
we check from network neighbourhood, I didn't find our samba server
but if I check with find computer , I can find
I guess you could install the source rpm and modify the spec file
(--with-smbwrapper --with-automount --with-smbmount --with-pam
...)located at /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/samba.spec and run
rpm -ba /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/xxx.spec
this should build an rpm in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386
LAUTIER Sabrina
Hello.
I'm trying to join a W2K domain. The DC runs in mixed mode.
1.
In Active Directory I added the machine DELL1-W2K with option NT 4.0 / 3.51 machine
can use that account.
For NT 4 machines the domain is WIN2KTESTSERVER. For W2K machines or higher the domain
is INTERN.DE.
2.
On LINUX I
Thanks all for responding, it seems my digest samba mail had a virus, so I
did not get to read all the reply (I am sure there were many ;-) )
Andrew Bartlett wrote:
Sylvestre Taburet wrote:
Le Mardi 4 Juin 2002 15:23, C.Lee Taylor a écrit :
Greetings ...
Please could someone confirm
A brief observation - from behaviour code inspection - Samba 2.2.4 with
Solaris 2.6:
This defaults correctly to System V printing and uses lpstat -v to get a list
of printers. However it does this just once and then the only way I can see
to reread the list is to restart the daemon. This is a
You may want to add the lines:
wins support = No
wins server = xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Brett
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:15 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [Samba] Joining a W2k domain - Could not look
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, LAUTIER Sabrina wrote:
Hi !
I'm runing a linux redhat 7.2 box with samba 2.2.4.
I've downloaded the samba source in order to install it with the
needed compilation options (--with-smbwrapper --with-automount
--with-smbmount --with-pam ...).
Samba is now up and
I'm using smbmount to mount an NTFS file system to a mountpoint on a linux
server.
the problem is, that i will get the following messages in /var/log/messages:
Jun 5 10:30:00 tux1 kernel: smb_retry: signal failed, error=-3
Jun 5 10:30:00 tux1 last message repeated 2 times
the mountpoint is
Hi
Use a name share ending with a '$' sign. This is a hide share in windows
(like ipc$ or print$)
Best regard.
Thierry
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From: Schalk Lubbe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:57 AM
Subject: [Samba] Request on Samba directories
I can't thing of how to look for this problem in the archive!
I have a Redhat7.2 server running the 2.2.4 rbl version of SAMBA. This system is
joined into our CLUSTERS domain and has just a read-only share on it. The PDC is a
2.2.3a SAMBA on an IRIX system.
If I take a WinXP system which is
Hello
I am working on a Red Hat 7.1 with a samba 2.2.4
server.
All is good i can configure my W2000 computer for
the domain, but when he restart enable to join the domain always the same
message
"le compte systeme de l'ordinateur dans son domain
principal est manquant"
Yes I'm french
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Joyce,
It sounds like there is a disconnection between the listing in the unix
passwd file for the w2000 computer and the listing in the smbpasswd file
for the w2000 computer.
Try deleting the listing for the computer in the smbpasswd file and
re-adding it with the command
# smbpasswd -am
I have a workgroup at work where we have allot of
documents we don not wish for anybody to see. The on e machine we have is
running Redhat 7.3 [Linux seleya.seleyaoem.com 2.4.18-3 #1 Thu Apr 18 07:37:53
EDT 2002 i686 unknown] with the version of samba that ships with it. 2.2.3a if I
am not
I'm running samba on an AIX 4.3.3 server which has NT4.0 SP6a clients
connecting. Since I've had so much trouble with it I compiled 2.2.4 with
GCC on the server and it didn't do any good. Grasping for straws I had our
netadmin come over and help me interpet what kinds of errors we were
I have Samba acting as a PDC with Win 98, Win ME, and Win 2000 clients.
I have shares on one of my Win 2000 clients that I would like to be able
to manage permissions with using domain groups. For instance, I have
logical groups for sales, recruiting, and staff. I have these groups
defined on my
Title: Message
I am seeing the
following error message in my log.smbdand the log files for the individual
users accessing shares. Has anyone seen this message before? Can
someone explain what this message means and how to fix it? Thank
you.
[2002/06/04
09:43:05, 0] lib/util_sock.c:(497)
After upgrading from 2.0.10a to 2.2.4, I'm seeing many new messages being
logged. What does this mean?
Jun 5 09:42:50 files2 smbd[27585]: [2002/06/05 09:42:50, 0]
smbd/oplock.c:oplock_break(788)
Jun 5 09:42:50 files2 smbd[27585]: oplock_break: no break received from
client within 30
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Yannick Tousignant wrote:
In this link :
http://www.samba.org/samba/ftp/docs/htmldocs/Samba-BDC-HOWTO.html
It seems possible to act like BDC as long as the PDC is a samba machine.
I did everyting there, and both servers have the same secrets.tdb file.
My testing
AFAIK 2.0 did not support oplocks, oplocks are a new feature in 2.2. You
can turn off oplocks in smb.conf if you want. Oplocks are meant to
increase the performance.
drenning, bruce wrote:
After upgrading from 2.0.10a to 2.2.4, I'm seeing many new messages being
logged. What does this mean?
Does anyone have experience with getting an Act! database working
without corruption on a Samba server? I had five users in an Act!
database where I was getting pretty regular corruption, even after
adding oplocks = no to the share. We have since moved the database
onto a Win 2000 machine, but we
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Yannick Tousignant wrote:
Hi, I tried to move the current PDC to another machine
that have the same LDAP database. It didn't work... There
is something about the machine account! How does samba
handle this? i could not logon to the moved PDC, so i
rejoined the domain
Hi,
Thanks for replying me Gerald.
Hi, I tried to move the current PDC to another machine
that have the same LDAP database. It didn't work... There
is something about the machine account! How does samba
handle this? i could not logon to the moved PDC, so i
rejoined the domain
On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 13:13, Yannick Tousignant wrote:
We are running act! databases on a samba share since the beginning
of the year and we had no problem since then.
As long as the database files are owned by the user who open them.
Your message suggests by virture of your ownership
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jun 5 10:30:00 tux1 kernel: smb_retry: signal failed, error=-3
Jun 5 10:30:00 tux1 last message repeated 2 times
the mountpoint is disapearing and the mount directory to. if i try a umount
and mount again the problem is fixed. is there any
Is the only way to get this right now from CVS?
On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 14:25, Chris Tooley wrote:
The Recycle Bin option in the smb.conf allows you to create a
Salvage area like Netware has. This is a really wonderful feature
that I've been using for several releases and happy to see in the
On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 10:06:45PM +0200, Peter Schuller wrote:
What version of Samba. What clients ? What are the symptoms ?
Various versions, including the latest stable release as of this moment.
Win2k on the clients. Symptoms are long delays when opening Word/Excel
documents; along
I'm running AIX 4.3.3MR9 on an H50 with NT4.0SP6a clients.
Samba is 2.2.4 compiled on the system with GCC.
I've been having an issue for a few weeks and it really looked like some
type of name resolution issue. When NT clients browse samba shares from my
AIX server they take 30-60 seconds to
hi, i want to connect to a nt-server sharing whole
drive c:, with groupname 'group', password 'pass' and
username 'user'. What should i add to a. connect to
the remote nt machine trhough a ppp link (tun0) b.
mount the shared C: drive to /usr/mnt ? bye.
We are running act! databases on a samba share since the beginning
of the year and we had no problem since then.
As long as the database files are owned by the user who open them.
Yannick
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When I try to connect to a QNX machine running SAMBA it fails. The smb.log
file shows the following:
No interface found for address 10.104.1.21
Added interface ip=10.104.1.21 bcast=10.255.255.255 nmask=255.0.0.0
0: loaded services
0: becoming a daemon
bind succeeded on port 139
waiting for a
In the location where you unpacked samba change to samba-2.2.4/packaging/RedHat
directory and there is a makerpms.sh script. Just execute bash makerpms.sh and
the work is done for you. If you run Mandrake there is a similar directory and
script for it as well. There are also spec files for SuSE
Hi all,
I have changed my workstation fstab file to include 3 shares on the server
that I want to mount during boot up. But, I had to include my username and
password inside the fstab file. Does anybody have any other ways of doing
this considering that the fstab file is readable by
Hi,
LAUTIER Sabrina wrote:
Hi !
I'm runing a linux redhat 7.2 box with samba 2.2.4.
I've downloaded the samba source in order to install it with the
needed compilation options (--with-smbwrapper --with-automount
--with-smbmount --with-pam ...).
Samba is now up and running but I would
I have downloaded and compiled Samba 2.2.4. The Samba server is used
to access DFS space, so it was configured with DCE authentication. It
seems to work on for the most part. However we have seen the following
behavior:
When opening a directory with a large number of files, it
Hey I am having a little problem with MSDFS links. If I create afolder
and put the links at the root of that folder there is noproblem. But is I
nest the folder a few levels deep and then sharethat folder out with the
msdfs root = yes option the links will bringback blank pages. SO a
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I am mounting a windows 2000 share on a linux box (2.4.18) using smbmount
(2.2.2). I can create files 2Gb on both the systems, but I can't copy a
file 2Gb from the linux box over the smbmount. The file size limit is
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It's me again, with the solution to my problems.
To get a working BDC, you have to kill samba, delete your
secrets.tdb, create a MACHINE.SID and then restart samba. You
will have to do this on the PDC and the BDC to have the same
SID the the secrets.tdb file. Then machine account are valid
even
Is there any way i could get the SID in my secrets.tdb file?
That could save me of rejoining all stations to the domain!
Thanks!
Yannick Tousignant
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On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Yannick Tousignant wrote:
It's me again, with the solution to my problems.
To get a working BDC, you have to kill samba, delete your
secrets.tdb, create a MACHINE.SID and then restart samba. You
will have to do this on the PDC and the BDC to have the same
SID the the
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Throws Rotten Tommatoes
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it just says
/usr/sbin/swat.new
Aborted
when i run it from the command line.
nothing i can see in the logs...
The swat binary from a 2 week old head now
(with the rest of the installation from today's head)
seems to work okay.
what's going on with swat - did i screw up the build?
Are others
Bradley, is the new testparm program from the same build getting a
segment violation?
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On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 18:53, Billy O'Connor wrote:
Bradley, is the new testparm program from the same build getting a
segment violation?
it segfaults - maybe i'm missing a
dependency or something?
brad
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On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 10:44:04PM -0400, Bradley W. Langhorst wrote:
On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 18:53, Billy O'Connor wrote:
Bradley, is the new testparm program from the same build getting a
segment violation?
it segfaults - maybe i'm missing a
dependency or something?
No, its just a bug
I have the same condition, would you mind trying out this patch and
tell me if it works for you, both on testparm and swat? Please don't
check it into cvs yet though, I want to check some more string
conditions before I submit it.
--- samba/source/param/loadparm.c Thu May 30 20:47:19 2002
The swat/testparm bug is in lp_save_defaults(), a little used
(swat/testparm only) function. An attempted strdup() of a NULL
string is segfaulting. I gave Brad a patch to try, I'll test it some
more, there're 2 other string conditions I want to test, then I'll
send the patch in.
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Hi all,
I need to give a group of users access to a file share that I am sharing
via samba.
In smb.conf I am using something similar to;
[accts]
comment = Accounts Dept Share
path = /usr/local/share/accounts
valid users = accounts
public = no
writable = yes
printable = no
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Darryl Harvey wrote:
Hi all,
I need to give a group of users access to a file share that I am sharing
via samba.
In smb.conf I am using something similar to;
[accts]
comment = Accounts Dept Share
path = /usr/local/share/accounts
valid users = accounts
Are you using an ACL enabled kernel ?
If not you need to either patch your existing kernel (acl.bestbits.at) or
you can use the XFS filesystem from SGI (oss.sgi.com). If you want to
reinstall the whole system then SGI actually produce an adapted RH installer
to run in conjunction with the usual
I
don't know about you guys, but samba did configure with acl-support when I added
the "unneeded" devel packages of acl.
-Alkuperäinen viesti-Lähettäjä: Nieminen, Jooel
Lähetetty: 5. kesäkuuta 2002 0855Vastaanottaja:
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Aihe: --with-acl-support
(2.2.4
OK so you can set and view ACLs using setfacl/getfacl ('setfacl -m d:o::rwx
/tmp' 'getfacl /tmp' ? ie the kernel patches worked successfully ?)
If so then ACLs are indeed enabled. I would then start the compilation
afresh - Samba should pick up on the ACLs automatically.
Are you using
hi there!
this is simple netatalk vfs module against stackable VFS
interface.
regards,
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Why use Windows, since there is a door?
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please consider some spam protection,
Going over the log files it seems that about 80 messages a day are being
blocked by spews. The RBL is blocking maybe 5-6 per day. I added
spamcop to the list tody and it seems to be blocking a lot more mail.
211.117.176.60 is DNSbl listed. by
Better forward this bug to the technical list.
Anyone using samba on 2 processors machine?
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Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: smbd 2.2.4 Solaris 8 on intel (PR#24507)
Date: 05 Jun 2002
This is the first version of the patch to implement access control to SAM.
It implements checks of the desired access in all open functions (those that create
handles)
against the appropriate default SDs of the previous patch and associates the granted
access bits
with the handle. These
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 07:51:53PM +0200, Kai Krueger wrote:
This is the first version of the patch to implement access control to SAM.
It implements checks of the desired access in all open functions (those that create
handles)
against the appropriate default SDs of the previous patch and
Gerald (Jerry) Carter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes:
On Fri, 31 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
source/lib/interfaces.c conditionally include sys/time.h and
sys/sockio.h (autoconf macros
already exist)
This change broke SAMBA_2_2. The reason
- Original Message -
From: Jeremy Allison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: Access control to SAM / _samr_query_sec_obj
Nice patch. I do have one request though. I've (for years)
been removing magic numerical constants from Samba (like
the
[whoops -- reposted in plain text]
I hope working printing RPCs won't be too shocking for people! (Although I
have seen one wierd behaviour on XP ...)
I've briefly tested the 2.2.5-pre code on a Mandrake 8.2 server (100 MHz, 64
Mb ram), sharing an Epson Photo 790 inkjet printer.
This server
On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 07:44:02PM +0200, Juergen Hasch wrote:
Hi Jerry,
Am Sonntag, 2. Juni 2002 03:15 schrieb Gerald Carter:
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Juergen Hasch wrote:
Now I never would have brought this up because I don't care to much for
2.2 and I was just curious when I made the
Am Mittwoch, 5. Juni 2002 23:48 schrieb Jeremy Allison:
On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 07:44:02PM +0200, Juergen Hasch wrote:
Hi Jerry,
Am Sonntag, 2. Juni 2002 03:15 schrieb Gerald Carter:
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Juergen Hasch wrote:
Now I never would have brought this up because I don't
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:12:45AM +0200, Juergen Hasch wrote:
the patch works fine for except for one thing. In the acl security selection
list (showing a list of all available users and groups) the german umlaut
characters are wrong. This is because the unix charset is sent to the
The original message was posted by Dan Barrett:
http://lists.samba.org/pipermail/samba-technical/2002-May/036397.html
I'm getting reports of similar problems. Nobody responded before - can
anyone help?
Wade.
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Tim Potter wrote:
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 06:26:33PM -0700, Jeremy Allison wrote:
Modified Files:
srv_spoolss_nt.c
Log Message:
Moved some notify related constants into srv_spoolss_nt.c since
they're only used there.
Added a PRINTER_NOTIFY_VERSION
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 11:34:43PM -0500, Gerald Carter wrote:
I'm writing some test routines for the print notification stuff and it's
rather a lot of mucking around. Can I do this after 2.2.5 ships and
before HEAD printing gets blown away?
Please don't mess with 2.2 printing before
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