Re: [SC-L] informIT: Building versus Breaking

2011-09-01 Thread Steven M. Christey
While I'd like to see Black Hat add some more defensive-minded tracks, I just realized that this desire might a symptom of a larger problem: there aren't really any large-scale conferences dedicated to defense / software assurance. (The OWASP conferences are heavily web-focused; Dept. of

Re: [SC-L] informIT: Building versus Breaking

2011-09-01 Thread Chris Schmidt
I agree on the terminology of whitehat vs. blackhat here Sergio, but in almost every other regard I disagree completely. To design and build proper software and hardware there are a lot of conferences out there, as well as trainings and a huge amount of literature. There are very good books

Re: [SC-L] informIT: Building versus Breaking

2011-09-01 Thread Arian J. Evans
Not many builders go to BlackHat. BlackHat is by Breakers, for Defenders. It is primarily attended by Defenders, with a smaller pool of dedicated Breakers. It is very valuable to our industry to have conferences focused on Breaking. Though they do have Builder and Defender talks. Some of my first

Re: [SC-L] informIT: Building versus Breaking

2011-09-01 Thread Sergio 'shadown' Alvarez
Hi Chris, Thanks for answering my email. There's one thing that I actually believe you people are not following here. Blackhat is a conference to present cutting-edge NEW offensive technologies, methodologies, techniques, etc. It is *not* about talking things there were already presented and

Re: [SC-L] informIT: Building versus Breaking

2011-09-01 Thread Stephen Craig Evans
Sergio, Blackhat IS about breaking stuff, the vendors area offers defense products and services to improve your security. For building stuff (as in development) there are other conferences out there. People go to Blackhat to be aware of what things might go wrong in order to protect better

Re: [SC-L] informIT: Building versus Breaking

2011-09-01 Thread Goertzel, Karen [USA]
There are these: ISC(2) Secure Software Conference Series - https://www.isc2.org/PressReleaseDetails.aspx?id=650 ESSoS - http://distrinet.cs.kuleuven.be/events/essos/2012/ SecSE - http://www.sintef.org/secse SSIRI - http://paris.utdallas.edu/ssiri11/ But your point is taken. Most of the