[SC-L] Dark Reading - Desktop Security - Here Comes the (Web) Fuzz - Security News Analysis

2007-02-27 Thread Kenneth Van Wyk
Here's an interesting article from Dark Reading about web fuzzers. Web fuzzing seems to be gaining some traction these days as a popular means of testing web apps and web services. http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp? doc_id=118162f_src=darkreading_section_296 Any good/bad

Re: [SC-L] Dark Reading - Desktop Security - Here Comes the (Web) Fuzz - Security News Analysis

2007-02-27 Thread Kenneth Van Wyk
On Feb 27, 2007, at 3:33 AM, Steven M. Christey wrote: Given the complex manipulations that can work in XSS attacks (see RSnake's cheat sheet) as well as directory traversal, combined with the sheer number of potential inputs in web applications, multipied by all the variations in encodings, I

Re: [SC-L] Dark Reading - Desktop Security - Here Comes the (Web)Fuzz - Security News Analysis

2007-02-27 Thread Gary McGraw
Just for the record, the testing literature (non-security) supports ken's point of view. Possibly the most amusing thing about all of this discussion about black box versus white box is that this is only one of many many divisions in testing. Others include partition testing, fault injection,

Re: [SC-L] Dark Reading - Desktop Security - Here Comes the (Web) Fuzz - Security News Analysis

2007-02-27 Thread Michael Silk
On 2/27/07, Kenneth Van Wyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an interesting article from Dark Reading about web fuzzers. Web fuzzing seems to be gaining some traction these days as a popular means of testing web apps and web services.

Re: [SC-L] Dark Reading - Desktop Security - Here Comes the (Web) Fuzz - Security News Analysis

2007-02-27 Thread Kenneth Van Wyk
On Feb 27, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Michael Silk wrote: unconvinced of what? what fuzzing is useful? or that it's the best security testing method ever? or you remain unconvinced that fuzzing in web apps is fuzzing in os apps? fuzzing has obvious advantages. that's all anyone should care about. No,

Re: [SC-L] Dark Reading - Desktop Security - Here Comes the (Web) Fuzz- Security News Analysis

2007-02-27 Thread J. M. Seitz
In my personal experience with web app testing, I have found that web fuzzers are not nearly as useful as fuzzers used for applications, and more specifically I have found numerous bugs doing direct API fuzzing. In the case of testing web applications I find that using something like SpiDynamics

[SC-L] Disclosure: vulnerability pimps? or super heroes?

2007-02-27 Thread Gary McGraw
Hi all, The neverending debate over disclosure continued at RSA this year with a panel featuring Chris Wysopl and others rehashing old ground. There are points on both sides, with radicals on one side (say marcus ranum) calling the disclosure people vulnerability pimps and radicals on the other

Re: [SC-L] Disclosure: vulnerability pimps? or super heroes?

2007-02-27 Thread Blue Boar
J. M. Seitz wrote: On a related note, does anyone have an example where Company A was disclosing vulnerabilities about competing Company B's product and got into trouble over it? Is this something that could be litigated? In fact, Tom Ptacek found a hole in one of Marcus' products while

Re: [SC-L] Disclosure: vulnerability pimps? or super heroes?

2007-02-27 Thread Michael Silk
On 2/28/07, Gary McGraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, The neverending debate over disclosure continued at RSA this year with a panel featuring Chris Wysopl and others rehashing old ground. There are points on both sides, with radicals on one side (say marcus ranum) calling the disclosure