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http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/11/158201 Democracy Now!
November 11th, 2005

Science Fiction Writer Octavia Butler on Race, Global Warming and Religion

We speak with Octavia Butler, one of the few well-known African-American
women science fiction writers. For the past thirty years, her work has
tackled subjects not normally seen in that genre such as race, the
environment and religion. [includes rush transcript]

The Washington Post has called Octavia Butler 'one of the finest voices in
fiction period. A master storyteller who casts an unflinching eye on racism,
sexism, poverty and ignorance and lets the reader see the terror and beauty
of human nature.' Octavia has described herself as an outsider, and "a
pessimist, a feminist always, a Black, a quiet egoist, a former Baptist, and
an oil-and-water combination of ambition, laziness, insecurity, certainty,
and drive."

Octavia Butler wrote her first story when she was ten years old and as she
has said, she has been writing ever since. Race and slavery is a recurring
theme in her work. Her first novel, Kindred was published in
1979. It tells the story of a black woman who is transported back in time to
the antebellum South. The woman has been summoned there to save the life of
a white son of a slave owner who turns out to be the woman's ancestor.
Octavia is the author of ten other novels including the Parable of the Sower
series. She is the recipient of many awards including the Nebula Award and
the MacArthur 'genius' award. Her latest book is called Fledgling.

* Octavia Butler, award-winning science fiction author

RUSH TRANSCRIPT

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JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, normally we don't spend a lot of time talking about
science fiction on Democracy Now!, but today we're joined by one of the
preeminent voices writing in the genre today. Octavia Butler is one of the
few well-known African American women science fiction writers. For the past
30 years her work has tackled subjects not normally seen in that genre. The
Washington Post has called her "one of the finest voices in fiction, period.
A master storyteller who casts an unflinching eye on racism, sexism,
poverty, and ignorance and let's the reader see the terror and the beauty of
human nature." Octavia has described herself as an outsider, a "pessimist, a
feminist always, a Black, a quiet egoist, a former Baptist, and an
oil-and-water combination of ambition, laziness, insecurity, certainty, and
drive."

AMY GOODMAN: Octavia Butler wrote her first story when she was 10 years old,
and she has said she's been writing ever since. Race and slavery is a
recurring theme in her work. Her first novel Kindred was published in 1979.
It's a story of a black woman who is transported back in time to the
antebellum South. The woman has been summoned there to save the life of a
white son of a slave owner, who turns out to be the woman's ancestor.
Octavia Butler is the author of ten other novels, including Parable of the
Sower series. She's the recipient of many awards, including the MacArthur
Genius Award. Her latest book is called Fledgling. Welcome to Democracy Now!

OCTAVIA BUTLER: Thank you.

AMY GOODMAN: About a vampire?

OCTAVIA BUTLER: Yeah, it was kind of an effort to do something that was more
lightweight than what I had been doing. I had been doing the two Parable
books -- Parable of the Sower and Parable of the Talents -- and they were
what I call cautionary tales: If we keep misbehaving ourselves, ignoring
what we've been ignoring, doing what we've been doing to the environment,
for instance, here's what we're liable to wind up with. And I found that I
was kind of overwhelmed by what I had done, what I had had to comb through
to do it. So eventually I wound up writing a fantasy, a vampire novel.

JUAN GONZALEZ: But you also tell a lot about vampires themselves. The Ina
people? Could you talk a little about that?

OCTAVIA BUTLER: Well, of course, I made them up. But one of the things I
discovered when I decided to write a vampire novel was that most writers
these days who write about vampires make up their own, and it really is a
kind of a fantasy matter. You make up the rules and then you follow them.

AMY GOODMAN: Tell us about your protagonist in Fledgling, who this vampire
is.

OCTAVIA BUTLER: Ok, she is a --

AMY GOODMAN: "She" is an operative word, I think, to begin with.

OCTAVIA BUTLER: Oh, okay. She is a young girl. You're right. Most vampires I
have discovered are men for some reason. I guess it's because Dracula;
people are kind of feeding off that. She has amnesia, she's been badly
injured, she's been orphaned. And she has no idea what she is or who she is.
It turns out she's the first black vampire because of her people's desire
for a 24- hour day and her female ancestor's discovery that one of the
secrets of the 24-hour day is melanin.

AMY GOODMAN: What do you mean?

OCTAVIA BUTLER: It helps to have some protection from the sun, so her people
managed to genetically engineer her. These vampires are a different species.
They are not vampires because somebody bit them, so they -- she is
genetically engineered to be quite different from her own people. On the
other hand, she's not human. So she's kind of alone to begin with. It's just
that by the time we meet her she is very much alone, because she knows
nothing. She's 53 years old, and all those 53 years have been taken from
her.

JUAN GONZALEZ: How did you first start writing science fiction? You grew up
in Pasadena --

OCTAVIA BUTLER: Uh huh.

JUAN GONZALEZ: -- and how did you first become attracted to that type of
writing?

OCTAVIA BUTLER: Oh, I think I loved it because, well, I fell into writing it
because I saw a bad movie -- a movie called Devil Girl From Mars -- and went
into competition with it. But I think I stayed with it because it was so
wide open, it gave me the chance to comment on every aspect of humanity.
People tend to think of science fiction as, oh, Star Wars or Star Trek, and
the truth is there are no closed doors, and there are no required formulas.
You can go anywhere with it.

AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Octavia Butler, her latest book is Fledgling,
wrote the Parable series. As Katrina was happening, in the aftermath of
Katrina, a lot of people were talking about Octavia Butler and how the
Parable series made them think about that. Explain.

OCTAVIA BUTLER: I wrote the two Parable books back in the 1990s. And they
are books about, as I said, what happens because we don't trouble to correct
some of the problems that we're brewing for ourselves right now. Global
warming is one of those problems. And I was aware of it back in the 1980s. I
was reading books about it. And a lot of people were seeing it as politics,
as something very iffy, as something they could ignore because nothing was
going to come of it tomorrow.

That, and the fact that I think I was paying a lot of attention to education
because a lot of my friends were teachers, and the politics of education was
getting scarier, it seemed, to me. We were getting to that point where we
were thinking more about the building of prisons than of schools and
libraries. And I remember while I was working on the novels, my hometown,
Pasadena, had a bond issue that they passed to aid libraries, and I was so
happy that it passed because so often these things don't. And they had
closed a lot of branch libraries and were able to reopen them. So not
everybody was going in the wrong direction, but a lot of the country still
was. And what I wanted to write was a novel of someone who was coming up
with solutions of a sort.

My main character's solution is -- well, grows from another religion that
she comes up with. Religion is everywhere. There are no human societies
without it, whether they acknowledge it as a religion or not. So I thought
religion might be an answer, as well as, in some cases, a problem. And in,
for instance, Parable of the Sower and Parable of the Talents, it's both. So
I have people who are bringing America to a kind of fascism, because their
religion is the only one they're willing to tolerate. On the other hand, I
have people who are saying, well, here is another religion, and here are
some verses that can help us think in a different way, and here is a
destination that isn't something that we have to wait for after we die.

AMY GOODMAN: Octavia Butler, could you read a little from Parable of the
Talents.

OCTAVIA BUTLER: I'm going to read a verse or two. And keep in mind these
were written early in the 1990s. But I think they apply forever, actually.
This first one, I have a character in the books who is, well, someone who is
taking the country fascist and who manages to get elected President and, who
oddly enough, comes from Texas. And here is one of the things that my
character is inspired to write about, this sort of situation. She says:

"Choose your leaders with wisdom and forethought. To be led by a coward is
to be controlled by all that the coward fears. To be led by a fool is to be
led by the opportunists who control the fool. To be led by a thief is to
offer up your most precious treasures to be stolen. To be led by a liar is
to ask to be lied to. To be led by a tyrant is to sell yourself and those
you love into slavery."

And there's one other that I thought I should read, because I see it
happening so much. I got the idea for it when I heard someone answer a
political question with a political slogan. And he didn't seem to realize
that he was quoting somebody. He seemed to have thought that he had a
creative thought there. And I wrote this verse:

"Beware, all too often we say what we hear others say. We think what we are
told that we think. We see what we are permitted to see. Worse, we see what
we are told that we see. Repetition and pride are the keys to this. To hear
and to see even an obvious lie again and again and again, maybe to say it
almost by reflex, and then to defend it because we have said it, and at last
to embrace it because we've defended it."

AMY GOODMAN: On that note we'll have to leave it there, but we'll continue
it online at Democracynow.org. Octavia Butler.

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