Let me correct myself. You seemed to be questioning the wisdom of having our posts made public. I think most people would interpret that to mean that you were raising the question about whether we should continue to do so. I understand that perspective and agreed with the position until Yahoo deleted the other list. Emotionally, I still agree with that. Intellectually, i feel that having them public temporarily is a small price to pay. There is nothing wrong with raising questions. However, if you raise questions, you get answers. sometimes the answers you get might not be what you anticipated they would be.
Your question was partially based on the misconception that some of us had recent made a bid deal about not having privacy. Since I lead the "protest", I felt I could speak on behalf of those of us who took action after yahoo deleted us. If our beef has been about privacy, it would have been strange for me to go and make the archives public. So, I felt the need to explain why I took such actions in response to your questions and correct your misunderstanding about why I initially was fighting yahoo.... not privacy, but computerized censorship and the destruction of intellectual property. If you take into account, my rage, sense of loss, and fear over the loss of everyone's messages, writing, artworks, and images, my response to immediately archive everything publicly as temporary measure might be understandable. I sought to explain that to you and anyone else reading the thread. >From your reply, "Ah well. This is why I dislike the directness of nonfiction in all its forms -- essays, letters, reviews-- words spoken directly can betray both the speaker and the hearer. A reminder to me, anyway, to stick to fiction and not speak too much or give too much commentary," I get the impression you think I am accusing you of something and I am not. I do not see why you think you have to back down from the position you took. You did nothing inappropriate. You spoke your mind. I like to think that as someone who abhors censorship, that I do not censure people on the list. I do not think clarifying my stance again yahoo or why I made the list public is censuring you. I hope not.... For some reason, you are taking my responses personally and as a personal attack on what you posted. I do not think that is what i am doing. I think I am making clear my actions and the reasons for them. I sought to correct your misconceptions about why we were protesting yahoo's actions, and to explain why the ok my reply as a queue to not speak your mind. I think it is good that you did spoke up. As I said, doing so encouraged others to express how they feel about setting the list to be public for temporary public archiving. However, if I am attacking you , please accept my apology. That was not my intent. So let me clarify how the archiving works. The archiving application will only work if the messages are public. Making the message private will prevent us from having any protection from yahoo deleting everything. Regarding Steven Barnes. Steven Barnes has been a member for at least two years. At times he has been extremely active on both lists. He only recently unsubscribe. About two weeks before the message thread started. I told him about the discussion and he asked me to forward some of the opinions, but a family emergency prevented me from doing so. I did not want him to read one message and take it out of context. I understand your concerns and they are valid ones. If someone has another option for archiving I am extremely open to it. Unfortunately, taking a month off from my business caused me to take a severe financial hit. The only way i can get back on track is to work around the clock. Unfortunately, I won't have a lot of time for SciFiNoir. so, whatever alternative solution someone comes up with, it has to have limited involvement from me. If people do not mind that the site will not be archived, I can shut off the archiving. Lets discuss this. What to you want to do? Tracey -----Original Message----- From: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:51 PM To: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SciFiNoir Lit] Re: RE: 2nd attempt to post RE: Public archives Oh my! Did I do that? Did I actually call you to discontinue the archive? I don't think so. I think you read my email incorrectly. I was just calling the public nature of our forum to your attention. And wondering about stuff. Wondering aloud if people wanted non-listmembers reading their comments. (Hey, as it is...if Steven Barnes did a google search for Lion's Blood all our comments about him would come up in his search.) I wasn't really recommending anything. Just throwing a question out there. Ah well. This is why I dislike the directness of nonfiction in all its forms -- essays, letters, reviews-- words spoken directly can betray both the speaker and the hearer. A reminder to me, anyway, to stick to fiction and not speak too much or give too much commentary. -C In a message dated 7/5/2005 3:58:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com writes: but since you were calling for me to discontinue archiving the messages, I sought to correct your perceptions. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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