Re: [sidr] Current document status && directionz

2016-09-06 Thread Randy Bush
> (note, I do not care for this message about politics) > > we're here because, I think, from the top down to the RIR there isn't a > hierarchy being created, right? the RIR folk are saying: "Ok, you all want > this thing, but upstairs hasn't created the root, so we're going to do the > best we

Re: [sidr] Current document status && directionz

2016-09-06 Thread Rob Austein
At Tue, 6 Sep 2016 22:48:07 -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > (note, I do not care for this message about politics) Understood, with the caveat that since it's the politics which are pushing the wrong technical solution here, any technical discussion will loop back to politics as soon as one

Re: [sidr] Current document status && directionz

2016-09-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Rob Austein wrote: > I guess one question here is the purpose of publishing this document: > > a) If the purpose of asking the WG to publish is a hope that the WG >will agree that this is a good idea, then I'm with Randy and Steve >in the

Re: [sidr] Current document status && directionz

2016-09-06 Thread Rob Austein
I guess one question here is the purpose of publishing this document: a) If the purpose of asking the WG to publish is a hope that the WG will agree that this is a good idea, then I'm with Randy and Steve in the "hell no" camp. b) If the purpose is to document something that the RIRs have

Re: [sidr] Current document status && directionz

2016-09-06 Thread Roque Gagliano (rogaglia)
Carlos, I guess what the RIRs are going to do is to create a CA hierarchy: RIR_CA_0/0_(probably a hidden HSM) ‹> RIR_CA_RIR_RESOURCES (online HSM) ‹> member_CA This means that not much changed from the current situation multiple self-signed certs, other than instead of getting the list of

Re: [sidr] Current document status && directionz

2016-09-06 Thread Chris Morrow
At Sat, 3 Sep 2016 14:06:25 -0700, joel jaeggli wrote: > > [1 Re: Current document status && directionz ] > [1.1 ] > On 9/2/16 1:56 PM, Chris Morrow wrote: > > > > Howdy SIDR peeps, > > (+bonus ops ad) > > > > Following on the Berlin meeting we were trying to accomplish two

Re: [sidr] Current document status && directionz

2016-09-06 Thread Chris Morrow
At Mon, 5 Sep 2016 19:54:53 -0300, "Carlos M. Martinez" wrote: > > Here is the pointer to the document: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rir-rpki-allres-ta-app-statement-01 > > Apologies for my earlier laziness. no worries, yes Sandy and I chatted about this...