Re: [sidr] request for agenda items for interim meeting 6 Jun

2012-05-24 Thread Randy Bush
well, actually, the discussion in april was walking around many of the implications thereof. it is hard to discuss do we keep/replace AS[4]_PATH as it is abstract and draws deep philosophical discourse with no hard handles on technical decision points. I think you should remove the [4]

Re: [sidr] request for agenda items for interim meeting 6 Jun

2012-05-24 Thread Roque Gagliano (rogaglia)
i agree. but every time i say AS_PATH someone whacks me with AS4_PATH. maybe this is why i like the NO_EXPLICIT_PATH :) well, you are normally consistent at asking people to read the documents :-). r. randy smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

Re: [sidr] request for agenda items for interim meeting 6 Jun

2012-05-24 Thread George, Wes
From: sidr-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:sidr-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:09 PM To: Murphy, Sandra Cc: sidr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sidr] request for agenda items for interim meeting 6 Jun In the interim in San Diego, there were requests (from

Re: [sidr] sidrSlides for RPKI Over BitTorrent presentation

2012-05-24 Thread Wes Hardaker
heasley h...@shrubbery.net writes: This sure smells to me like a solution in need of multicast (or, more accurately, deployed multicast) with a fall back to something like bittorrent for bootstrapping or when you've missed session data and can't recover. Multicast as a data stream would be

Re: [sidr] sidrSlides for RPKI Over BitTorrent presentation

2012-05-24 Thread heasley
Thu, May 24, 2012 at 06:36:51AM -0700, Wes Hardaker: I didn't say only :-) . In fact, I pointed at bittorrent as a backup. I simply said it would be more efficient when sending out *new* changes. understood; i'm registering/re-enforcing that if that is developed it must not be the only mathod.

[sidr] [INTERIM MEETING 6/6] Agenda update

2012-05-24 Thread Chris Morrow
The 6/6/2012 (6/6/2012 for the EU folks or Jun 6 2012) meeting agenda looks like: * aspath not present - implications? - scudder's notes at previous meeting perhaps not all the bugs worked out/considerations made (not just tools, re-figuring the aspath on entrance/exit,

Re: [sidr] request for agenda items for interim meeting 6 Jun

2012-05-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:19 AM, George, Wes wesley.geo...@twcable.com wrote: However, in order to gain any benefit from the location, we probably need to publicize the interim on the NANOG list, though the window for doing it before travel plans are made is probably closing/closed. Wasn't

Re: [sidr] sidrSlides for RPKI Over BitTorrent presentation

2012-05-24 Thread Wes Hardaker
heasley h...@shrubbery.net writes: Thu, May 24, 2012 at 06:36:51AM -0700, Wes Hardaker: I didn't say only :-) . In fact, I pointed at bittorrent as a backup. I simply said it would be more efficient when sending out *new* changes. understood; i'm registering/re-enforcing that if that is

Re: [sidr] [INTERIM MEETING 6/6] Agenda update

2012-05-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
An astute reader notes that the original message: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sidr/current/msg04563.html (additionally, until a moment ago the wiki doc for the meeting had this text copied/pasted into it...) Had the original timing data (full-day), the space and other constraints

Re: [sidr] sidrSlides for RPKI Over BitTorrent presentation

2012-05-24 Thread John G. Scudder
Wes, On May 23, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Wes Hardaker wrote: Bittorrent works well for sharing the load, but either requires a lot of bittorrent start files (whatever they're called), which then becomes hard to syncronize; or a small number of bittorrent files (one per aggregation point) that

Re: [sidr] sidrSlides for RPKI Over BitTorrent presentation

2012-05-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 4:13 PM, John G. Scudder j...@juniper.net wrote: Wes, On May 23, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Wes Hardaker wrote: Bittorrent works well for sharing the load, but either requires a lot of bittorrent start files (whatever they're called), which then becomes hard to syncronize; or

Re: [sidr] [INTERIM MEETING 6/6] Agenda update

2012-05-24 Thread Randy Bush
* aspath not present - implications? - scudder's notes at previous meeting perhaps not all the bugs worked out/considerations made (not just tools, re-figuring the aspath on entrance/exit, are there other places where aspath is used/required? confeds is one

[sidr] WGLC for draft-ietf-sidr-rpsl-sig-05.txt

2012-05-24 Thread Murphy, Sandra
The authors have stated that they believe that draft-ietf-sidr-rpsl-sig-05 Securing RPSL Objects with RPKI Signatures is ready for a working group last call. The draft can be accessed at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-rpsl-sig-05 and

Re: [sidr] [INTERIM MEETING 6/6] Agenda update

2012-05-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:   * aspath not present - implications?     - scudder's notes at previous meeting       perhaps not all the bugs worked out/considerations made       (not just tools, re-figuring the aspath on entrance/exit,        are there

Re: [sidr] WGLC for draft-ietf-sidr-rpsl-sig-05.txt

2012-05-24 Thread Randy Bush
a quick read only. and sorry to wait for wglc, but that's life. at least i did not wait for ietf lc :) -- what is RPSL? it is not defined, nor is there a cite. -- 2.1. General Attributes, Meta Information in general, the format/syntax of the attribute part of many fields might be

Re: [sidr] WGLC for draft-ietf-sidr-rpsl-sig-05.txt

2012-05-24 Thread Terry Manderson
These are my comments on the draft draft-ietf-sidr-rpsl-sig-05 In the Introduction (Para 3) it says: A maintainer of such signed database objects MUST possess a relevant resource certificate which shows him/her as the legitimate holder of an Internet number resource I'm afraid I'm confused on