I want to thank everyone for their responses. Yesterday Gary took
the Targretin with breakfast and waited to take the niacin after
lunch and he did fine and no flush with either the lunch or dinner
dose of niacin. So I feel that it was the drug compo at the same
time that he had the reaction
Teri, the T-cell lymphoma may respond rather well to blood
electrification, glutathione increasers and 4Life Transfer
Factor. I have mostly anecdotes and some Russian clinical
studies on the Transfer Factor Enhanced, which has since been
improved; mostly clinical work on the cold-processed
Johnston t...@welshspringers.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: CSNiacin ( Blood Components )
Evening Wayne,
His Total cholesterol is 304 LDL 233 Triglycerides 207 his HDL is
normal. These levels are a side effect of the Targretin. The doctor
wanted
Oh my I may have misspelled it. It's a drug that is made from vit.
A. (Synthetic I would venture to guess) The normal dose for most
people is 7 pills daily and Gary is only able to tolerate one with
out other side effects. That is why the Dr. is so concerned about
seeing the cholesterol
I feel realy crappy after taking 5htp but not the niacin ...strange
huh?debbie
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From: Teri Johnston t...@welshspringers.com
Could those of you who have been through a niacin flush please
describe it. I got the niacin for Gary and with his
experiencing the flush by removing the histamines first.
Nancy
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:11:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSNiacin
I was having such severe flushing with just 100 mg niacin that I finally
gave up. The heat and raw
Teri- A solution to your problem would be to find a natural way of
treating the lymphoma. CS itself has been used for various forms of
cancer. Here are some websites from my files, I can't claim to have
checked many of them out myself.
Here is V's list of websites-
We used cansema on his tumor, he drank essiac for a year. I have
searched high and low for a case of remission of this type of cancer
using natural methods none are to be found. I have been
corresponding with another person with this cancer who is a natural
methods first type and he had not
From: Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:44 PM
I wrote about this before but since there are no archives I guess I'll
write it again- the Niacin flush is related to the prescence of histamines
in the body. Histamines can be released by eating a food or substance
thanks for mentioning Dr.Kelley. I downloaded his whole book debbie
http://www.drkelley.com/default.htm
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From: starshar stars...@comcast.net
From: Tad Winiecki
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:44 PM
I wrote about this before but since
Could those of you who have been through a niacin flush please
describe it. I got the niacin for Gary and with his second dose
about 45 minutes after taking he said his sinuses felt like they were
burning and then he developed a head ache. Is this what you
felt? His Dr. said to use regular
Hi Teri,
It is when your skin turns bright red and sometimes in splothes and it feels
real hot and sometimes itches the effects come on in absout 30 minutes and then
gradually subside. It does not always happen, depends on current chemistry of
body.
Take care,
V
Could those of you who
Thanks V I didn't thing he was having a flush but since I had not
inquired I thought I would get an answer.
Teri
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: CSNiacin
Could those of you who have been through a niacin flush please describe
it. I got the niacin for Gary and with his second dose about 45 minutes
after taking he said his sinuses felt like they were burning and then he
developed
The niacin flush occurs when you take a high dose for the first few
times.
You will acclimate after awhile and it will lessen or disappear.
Too high, too quickly will have you contemplating your mortality.
(It's an old college prank)
I have heard that 3 grams is a max safe dose for long term
I'm wondering if it was a reaction between his prescription drug
Targretin and the niacin it was 100mg. Last night he took the first
dose after dinner with his other herbs and vitamins he takes without
any side effects. This morning that headache hit and still has not
gone away. He said his
Evening Teri,
At 02:32 PM 6/24/2006, you wrote:
His Dr. said to use regular niacin to bring down cholesterol
My doctor, ( A great Alternative Doctor ) told me to take 1000 mg
per day of sustained release niacin for the
reduction of fibrinogen. ( 500 mg in the AM and 500 mg in the
Evening Wayne,
His Total cholesterol is 304 LDL 233 Triglycerides 207 his HDL is
normal. These levels are a side effect of the Targretin. The doctor
wanted to give him a drug to treat the side effect and I said NO. We
would try to use natural methods of bringing it down. So far we are
I was having such severe flushing with just 100 mg
niacin that I finally gave up. The heat and raw itch
would start at shoulders and head and go down chest,
arms, and finally thighs. I'd be bright red like
sunburned. I could take all that ok, but a few times
I had a faster heart rate and I
Teri,
What is a retinoid?
TIA
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From: Teri Johnston [mailto:t...@welshspringers.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:07 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSNiacin
I'm wondering if it was a reaction between his prescription drug Targretin
and the niacin
Thank you for these links. We would be using this to lower
cholesterol so according to this Dr. the non flushing type is not what we need.
Teri
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Yes, the tingle/flush reaction can be uncomfortable from straight
niacin, the other form is called niacinamide and does not cause any
reaction like that. I don't know if their value as a vitamin is
identical, but it apparently is pretty similar. Anyone else know??
At 03:29 PM 6/9/06 -0700,
Yes, I know; It's Hell, always living in the past but my computer has a
mind of its own and I'm not able to change it.
I know how, it simply refuses to acknowledge my rights in the matter.
BTW, don't be too sure about that rest of the world stuff, I know others
who are living much further in
Hi Malcolm,
your computer is still set to June 1 and the rest ofthe world is now at june 11
Take care,
V
http://www.health-freedom.info/
Yes, the tingle/flush reaction can be uncomfortable from straight
niacin, the other form is called niacinamide and does not cause any
reaction like
In a message dated 6/11/2006 2:04:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, s...@asis.com
writes:
Yes, the tingle/flush reaction can be uncomfortable from straight
niacin, the other form is called niacinamide and does not cause any
reaction like that. I don't know if their value as a vitamin is
You want the naicinamine form(not sure if that is spelled right) it is alot
easier to tolerate than niacin. YOu can get it at any health food store. If you
havent tried it before, you would want to start at a low dose as some people
report allergic reactions.
To find information on acid reflux you have to look up Hiatal Hernia Tendency.
This website http://www.joyfullivingservices.com/hiatalhernia.html
has a self adjustment for the problem.
Robert
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Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo!
Thanks for the info.
Brickey
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From: James McCourt, Ph.D. dr...@earthlink.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: CSNiacin
I have been able to research such a procedure. A good friend determined to
do something is on the verge of corrective surgery, which of course should
be avoided
In a message dated 1/3/2006 7:08:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dr...@earthlink.net writes:
the open position then acid come up and burns the esophagus which is not
made to withstad acid from stomach. some aloe vera preperations help with
taht but i heard there was a way to reset the valve so it
grace1...@aol.com wrote:
Sometimes people get the wrong idea about the Atkins diet, that it
consists of only meat, cheese, fat, and so forth. That would
definitely not be healthy, although I know some people who do well on
that, and some who don't. Atkins himself said that after the
My understanding is if you have heartburn, etc, you take a couple
tablespoons of apple cider vinegar. If you feel better, means you have
the discomfort from low acid. If you feel worse, you have too much acid.
My husband did this test a couple of times, and it definitely makes him
worse. So he
silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: CSNiacin
Hi Pat,
yeah acid reflux is a diffrenet problem. that happens when the little
valve at the bottom of the esaphagus that closes off the stomach get stuck
in the open position then acid come up and burns
In a message dated 1/1/2006 9:09:51 PM Central Standard Time,
pattycake29...@yahoo.com writes:
When I was having heartburn, the problem was too much acid
Hi Pat. How was this determined? I'm very interested because heartburn is a
daily problem for me. I vacillate between taking antacids and
In most cases heartburn is from not enough acid and antacids are a temporory
relief but then agravate the problem. to get more acid in stomoch drink more
water and eat more salt. the stomach lining that protects against t he acid is
made of water that is high in sodium. If you dont drink
It was just assumed I had too much acid. The first time I had pain and it
went through to my back. The doctor assumed I had an ulcer and didn't think
testing was necessary since it was my first problem. The Zantac worked great
(took it for 6 weeks) and I never had a problem again with
Hi Everyone,
I received this off from one of my other lists. I don't know how
accurate it is, but it can give you an idea Whether you have too much or
not enough acid.
G Murray
http://www.drdebe.com/BAKESODA.htm
STOMACH ACID ASSESSMENT
For this test you will need some fresh baking soda.
Hi Pat,
yeah acid reflux is a diffrenet problem. that happens when the little valve at
the bottom of the esaphagus that closes off the stomach get stuck in the open
position then acid come up and burns the esophagus which is not made to
withstad acid from stomach. some aloe vera preperations
About acid reflux...
I have been battling acid reflux for several years. Tried a lot of things,
often with partial success. My doc wanted to give me the usual drugs to
combat too much acid, but I would not take them, explaining to her that I
felt the problem was too little acid, and
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:49:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
I know the cause of my higher than it should be cholesterol and
triglycerides..eating too much of the wrong kind of food. I'd rather
eat sweets than anything in the world. I try to be on a good high
protein,
My son was also allergic to the bran and germ of wheat. Did fine with
white flour, but not with any whole wheat.
I don't know how common this is, but his sensitivity was confirmed with
allergy testing. I had to trade in my grinder for a mixer, lol.
sol
Tad Winiecki wrote:
Gee, I'm terribly upset over the news about soy beans. I knew I'd never give
a baby formula if I could help it but I thought they were great for adults.
So now I don't know what to have for breakfastpeanuts are too fatty, don't
want meat, cheese makes me feel yucky in the early a.m.,
Hi Pat,
heartburn is a sign of not enough stomach acid. also the reason you have
problem digestnig fats. you might try coconut oil for the fat intake
Take care,
V
Gee, I'm terribly upset over the news about soy beans. I knew I'd
never give a baby formula if I could help it but I
oh, I almost never have heartburn or stomach problems, but have had a few
times in the past. When I was having heartburn, the problem was too much acid
and therefore the Zantac made me feel good within hours or a couple days for a
chronic problem.
oh, I almost never have heartburn or stomach problems, but have had a few
times in the past. When I was having heartburn, the problem was too much acid
and therefore the Zantac made me feel good within hours or a couple days for a
chronic problem.
Mine is sugar and carbs. I once was on a severely lowfat vegetarian diet
for 9-10 months, lost 20 lbs but at the end of it, my triglycerides were
sky high, and LDL was way up, HDL very low. At the time, my doctor said
high triglycerides are a far more important indicator of heart attack
risk
Atkins is a healthy way of eating. It has been proven by studies in Europe, so
he claims.
Barbara
OTOH, a couple years later, after a short stint of strict Atkins (very
high fat, lots of protein, no carbs, no sugar) my triglycerides dropped
167 points, HDL was up, LDL a bit lower.
...@tampabay.rr.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:09:19 -0500
Atkins is a healthy way of eating. It has been proven by studies in
Europe, so he claims.
Barbara
OTOH, a couple
from ruthstrackbein at hotmail.com: I have been eating a celiac type diet for about a year and a half. I have not been diagnosed with celiac, but it seemed a healthy way to go. I weighed around 150 lbs to start . Last time I was at the Dr.s it was 128 with clothes. At home I weigh 115-120. That
Everyone is different metabolically. Atkins suits me perfectly and I follow it
for close to 2 years now.
Barbara
Atkins is certainly NOT a healthy way of eating IMHO.
This makes the blood and the body's environment EXTREMELY acidic. which
makes it a great host for future problems.
and complimenting this
with regular proper exercise.
From: Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:09:19 -0500
Atkins is a healthy way of eating. It has been proven
their
own dilegence homework but also keep an open mind enough to consider all
methods in anything undertaken.
with all due respect.
Ernie
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
I agree with you sol. I also feel better on Atkins and
plan on staying on it for a lng time :)
Barbara
FWIW, I did not go on Atkins to lose weight, but to feel better, and I
did. Anyone who went on an Atkins low carb diet and felt worse would be
a fool to continue. Just as it
methods in anything undertaken.
with all due respect.
Ernie
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:20:24 -0700
What makes one person acidic doesn't mean
Sometimes people get the wrong idea about the Atkins diet, that it consists
of only meat, cheese, fat, and so forth. That would definitely not be
healthy, although I know some people who do well on that, and some who don't.
Atkins himself said that after the initial breaking in period with
Quite right. I did forgot to mention my raw veggies, salads, limited
fruits, and so on.
The original Atkins is a very healthy diet *if* it suits the individual.
I personally think things began to go badly awry with Atkins as an
eating plan, when they got into all the fake carb replacements for
I did read all of this and also that the more free medicine in Europe is in
agreement with Atkins. They did test studies and confirmed the benefits of his
diet on so many degenerative diseases that have no cure here in States.
Barbara
Some people are unaware that the Atkins diet was
This site is very anti carbohydrate.Even fiber therapy bad.
http://www.biblelife.org/carbs.htm
Well, I finally decided to start niacin since my cholesterol and
triglicerides are a bit high.
I'm curious about the high readings for cholesterol and triglycerides that
others in this group are experiencing. What do some of you think the cause is?
For me personally the cause
and was also eating more greens and
fruits.
Just thought I'd share my experience.
Ernie
From: ch...@comcast.net (ch...@comcast.net)
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSNiacin Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:04:04 +
Well, I finally decided to start niacin
Thanks, Ernie.
I've just started back on my supergreens - I'll look forward to those coffee
cravings to leave.
Take care,
Cindy
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From: epa...@sympatico.ca
Hello Cindy,
I have noticed something rather interesting with coffee use. I
: Re: CSNiacin
Well, I finally decided to start niacin since my cholesterol and
triglicerides are a bit high.
I'm curious about the high readings for cholesterol and triglycerides that
others in this group are experiencing. What do some of you think the cause is?
For me
I know the cause of my higher than it should be cholesterol and
triglycerides..eating too much of the wrong kind of food. I'd rather eat
sweets than anything in the world. I try to be on a good high protein,
moderate carbohydrate diet but I get too sick of it and can't stay on it even
Pat, you don't have to be worried about your cholesterol. Here are some
articles if you like to read them.
Barbara
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cvd_index.html
http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm
I know the cause of my higher than it should be cholesterol and
Sometimes an extreme reaction like that can be an
allergic reaction. I would make the suggestion that
you try niacinimide instead. It is easier on the body.
To much niacin can also stress the liver so it is wise
to be cautious.
__
Yahoo!
Too much niacin can also stress the liver so it is
wise to be cautious.
The amount of niacin that would be needed to be
ingested in order to stress the liver is actually a
difficult amount to get used to. Ted is taking 6,000
mg/day, and his liver is fine, I bet.
Also, a very important thing
Sandi said,
Thanks for this url - what dosage amount would you
say is good to start with? and which type/brand?
Sandi, I would be quite conservative in the amount I
started off with, maybe 25-50 mg. The first-time flush
can be, for some folks, extremely unpleasant, almost
painful. My first
Terry,
How right you are in suggesting low incremental start doses. First time I
experienced niacin flush it came suddenly. I coming out of a store when it
hit me. Thought I was having a severe heart attack. Had to sit for at least
15 minutes before I recovered. Wasn't till years
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Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:51 AM
Subject: CSNiacin overdose
Too much niacin can also stress the liver so it is
wise to be cautious.
The amount of niacin that would be needed to be
ingested in order to stress the liver is actually a
difficult amount to get used
Subject: CSNiacin overdose
Too much niacin can also stress the liver so it is
wise to be cautious.
The amount of niacin that would be needed to be
ingested in order to stress the liver is actually a
difficult amount to get used to. Ted is taking 6,000
mg/day, and his liver is fine, I bet.
Also
@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSNiacin overdose-Liver Harm
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:29:19 -0800 (PST)
To Cleanse liversqueeze 3 lemons in perrier water and drink every
day!...about 20 ozsip for a half hour on empty stomach.
cari
Tel
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:32:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
Well, I finally decided to start niacin since my cholesterol and
triglicerides are a bit high. Found 100 mg pills ...there were 250 and
500mg at the other two stores. I took one and after just a few minutes I
was
Don't start with more than 100 mg or you'll think you're dying!
Chuck
Gosh, that takes me back...or forward. That's the trouble with time
travel, you never can tell.
On 12/27/2005 3:08:21 AM, Chad (bra...@centercable.tv) wrote:
hi tel
how many
Well, I finally decided to start niacin since my cholesterol and
triglicerides are a bit high. Found 100 mg pills ...there were 250 and 500mg
at the other two stores. I took one and after just a few minutes I was really
surprised. I never had heard of the extreme -ness of the reaction,
Pat, I know there is non-flushing B vitamins out there perhaps there is also
Niacin as well?
Ernie
From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSNiacin
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:32:07 -0800 (PST)
Well, I finally
Subject: CSNiacin
Well, I finally decided to start niacin since my cholesterol and
triglicerides are a bit high. Found 100 mg pills ...there were 250 and 500mg
at the other two stores. I took one and after just a few minutes I was really
surprised. I never had heard of the extreme -ness
, get it?
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ
- Original Message -
From: Pat
To: silver list
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: CSNiacin
Well, I finally decided to start niacin since my cholesterol and
triglicerides are a bit high. Found 100 mg pills
to your own little flush. Its good for you and you
can feel it working, (the flush)
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.
From: Chad
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: CSNiacin
hi tel
how many mg's should one start out with? and as pat said how long
- Original Message -
From: Pat
To: silver list
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 8:32 PM
Subject: CSNiacin
Well, I finally decided to start niacin since my cholesterol and triglicerides
are a bit high. Found 100 mg pills ...there were 250 and 500mg at the other
two stores. I took
Pat,
You don't have to have such an extreme reaction, you
can cut the pills in half or quarter (1/4, I'd
suggest). Find an amount that doesn't make you
uncomfortable, take that every day for awhile (week or
two usually), gradually increase, each time taking
that new amount until the flush stops,
Subject: CSNiacin flush
Pat,
You don't have to have such an extreme reaction, you
can cut the pills in half or quarter (1/4, I'd
suggest). Find an amount that doesn't make you
uncomfortable, take that every day for awhile (week or
two usually), gradually increase, each time taking
that new amount
I can't take the niacin flush either. And I also flush from niacinamide.
They last for many hours, and are uncomfortable to the point of being
painful. Thanks for the article.
sol
4optimallife wrote:
I am one of those who can't stand the niacin flush and I severely
flush on 50 mg. and so
Am using the oxygen propelled CS/Harbor Freight airbrush method.
For the last few days I'm using pure CS. No DMSO or MSM. Early this morning
I consumed one cup of hot herb tea and one pill of 500mg niacin. Chew the
pill and the flush will be more concentrated. Niacin can be tough on an
empty
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