Re: CS>Silver puppy

[Gmail]

Cute! Never caught that all these years.

If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs 
when it's free. – P.J. O'Rourke (1993)

> On Apr 24, 2017, at 4:10 PM, Ode Coyote <silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That and a bastardization of Obi-Wan Kenobi  [Ode One Coyote]
> 
> Ode'
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Lena Guyot <drumr...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>> He once had a coyote companion, and it's in that dear creature's memory that 
>> the name became part of the business.
>> Léna
>>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Tony Moody wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why??
>>> 
>>> I think Ode is for Ode Coyote.
>>> 
>>> He is not a dog!
>>> 
>>> He knows stuff and he build one of the best in the world
>>> 
>>> He sometimes writes poetry.
>>> 
>>> OK,
>>> Tony
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23 Apr 2017 at 10:34, Smitty wrote about :
>>> Subject : Re: CS>Silver puppy
>>> 
>>> I s Ode a man or woman ?
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Ode Coyote < silverpuppy1...@gmail.com > 
>>> wrote:
>>> That would be www.silverpuppy.com 
>>> 
>>> Ode
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:58 PM, PT Ferrance < ptf2...@bellsouth.net > 
>>> wrote:
>>> Ode sells them all the time. Check his website.
>>> PT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Mitchel Davis < mddav...@gmail.com >
>>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:15 PM 
>>> Subject: CS>Silver puppy
>>> 
>>> Anyone selling a silver puppy?
>>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jean Baugh" <oldgloryte...@srcaccess.net > wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Can anyone tell in plain English, what silver oxide is?
>>> 
>>> The reason I ask, found a jar of Terracil Max, totally rancid by smell. I 
>>> looked on the label and saw silver oxide as one of the ingredients.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Jean
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   
>> 
> 

Re: CS>Silver puppy

[Ode Coyote]

That and a bastardization of *Obi-Wan Kenobi*  [Ode One Coyote]

Ode'

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Lena Guyot <drumr...@stny.rr.com> wrote:

> He once had a coyote companion, and it's in that dear creature's memory
> that the name became part of the business.
> Léna
> On Apr 24, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Tony Moody wrote:
>
> Why??
>
> I think Ode is for Ode Coyote.
>
> He is not a dog!
>
> He knows stuff and he build one of the best in the world
>
> He sometimes writes poetry.
>
> OK,
> Tony
>
> --
>
> On 23 Apr 2017 at 10:34, Smitty wrote about :
> Subject : Re: CS>Silver puppy
>
> I s Ode a man or woman ?
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Ode Coyote < *silverpuppy1...@gmail.com*
> <silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> That would be *www.silverpuppy.com* <http://www.silverpuppy.com/>
>
> Ode
>
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:58 PM, PT Ferrance < *ptf2...@bellsouth.net*
> <ptf2...@bellsouth.net> > wrote:
> Ode sells them all the time. Check his website.
> PT
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Mitchel Davis < *mddav...@gmail.com* <mddav...@gmail.com> >
> *To:* *silver-list@eskimo.com* <silver-list@eskimo.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:15 PM
> *Subject:* CS>Silver puppy
>
> Anyone selling a silver puppy?
>
> On Apr 22, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jean Baugh" <*oldgloryte...@srcaccess.net*
> <oldgloryte...@srcaccess.net> > wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell in plain English, what silver oxide is?
>
> The reason I ask, found a jar of Terracil Max, totally rancid by smell. I
> looked on the label and saw silver oxide as one of the ingredients.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>Silver puppy

[Lena Guyot]

He once had a coyote companion, and it's in that dear creature's memory that 
the name became part of the business.
Léna
On Apr 24, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Tony Moody wrote:

> Why??
> 
> I think Ode is for Ode Coyote.
> 
> He is not a dog!
> 
> He knows stuff and he build one of the best in the world
> 
> He sometimes writes poetry.
> 
> OK,
> Tony
> 
> 
> On 23 Apr 2017 at 10:34, Smitty wrote about :
> Subject : Re: CS>Silver puppy
> 
> I s Ode a man or woman ?
> 
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Ode Coyote < silverpuppy1...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
> That would be www.silverpuppy.com 
> 
> Ode
> 
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:58 PM, PT Ferrance < ptf2...@bellsouth.net > wrote:
> Ode sells them all the time. Check his website.
> PT
> 
> 
> 
> From: Mitchel Davis < mddav...@gmail.com >
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:15 PM 
> Subject: CS>Silver puppy
> 
> Anyone selling a silver puppy?
> 
> On Apr 22, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jean Baugh" <oldgloryte...@srcaccess.net > wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone tell in plain English, what silver oxide is?
> 
> The reason I ask, found a jar of Terracil Max, totally rancid by smell. I 
> looked on the label and saw silver oxide as one of the ingredients.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jean
> 
> 
> 
>   

Re: CS>Silver puppy

[Tony Moody]

Why?? 

I think Ode is for Ode Coyote. 

He is not a dog!

He knows stuff and he build one of the best in the world

He sometimes writes poetry. 

OK,
Tony



On 23 Apr 2017 at 10:34, Smitty wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>Silver puppy

I s Ode a man or woman ?

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Ode Coyote <silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:
That would be www.silverpuppy.com

Ode

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:58 PM, PT Ferrance <ptf2...@bellsouth.net > wrote:
Ode sells them all the time. Check his website.
PT




From: Mitchel Davis <mddav...@gmail.com>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:15 PM
Subject: CS>Silver puppy

Anyone selling a silver puppy?

On Apr 22, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jean Baugh" 
<oldgloryte...@srcaccess.net> wrote:
Hi,

Can anyone tell in plain English, what silver oxide 
is?

The reason I ask, found a jar of Terracil Max, totally 
rancid by smell. I looked on the label and saw silver 
oxide as one of the ingredients.

Thank you,

Jean

Re: CS>Silver puppy

[Lena Guyot]

Ode is a treasure!
On Apr 23, 2017, at 5:38 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

> Actually... Gentleman extraordinaire!  
> So helpful for everyone.
> PT
> 
> 
> 
> From: Lena Guyot <drumr...@stny.rr.com>
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Silver puppy
> 
> Well said, PT!
> Léna
> On Apr 23, 2017, at 4:48 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:
> 
>> Gentleman...
>> PT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Smitty <papad...@gmail.com>
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: CS>Silver puppy
>> 
>> I s Ode a man or woman ?
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Ode Coyote <silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> That would be www.silverpuppy.com
>> 
>> Ode
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:58 PM, PT Ferrance <ptf2...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Ode sells them all the time.  Check his website.
>> PT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Mitchel Davis <mddav...@gmail.com>
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:15 PM
>> Subject: CS>Silver puppy
>> 
>> Anyone selling a silver puppy?
>> 
>> On Apr 22, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jean Baugh" <oldgloryte...@srcaccess.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Can anyone tell in plain English, what silver oxide is?
>> 
>> The reason I ask, found a jar of Terracil Max, totally rancid by smell.  I 
>> looked on the label and saw silver oxide as one of the ingredients.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Jean
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: CS>Silver puppy

[PT Ferrance]

Actually... Gentleman extraordinaire!  
So helpful for everyone.PT



  From: Lena Guyot <drumr...@stny.rr.com>
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 5:35 PM
 Subject: Re: CS>Silver puppy
   
Well said, PT!Léna
On Apr 23, 2017, at 4:48 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

Gentleman...PT



  From: Smitty <papad...@gmail.com>
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:34 PM
 Subject: Re: CS>Silver puppy
  
I s Ode a man or woman ?
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Ode Coyote <silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:

That would be www.silverpuppy.com

Ode

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:58 PM, PT Ferrance <ptf2...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Ode sells them all the time.  Check his website.PT



  From: Mitchel Davis <mddav...@gmail.com>
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:15 PM
 Subject: CS>Silver puppy
  
Anyone selling a silver puppy?
On Apr 22, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jean Baugh" <oldgloryte...@srcaccess.net> wrote:

Hi,
Can anyone tell in plain English, what silver oxide is?
The reason I ask, found a jar of Terracil Max, totally rancid by smell.  I 
looked on the label and saw silver oxide as one of the ingredients.
Thank you,
Jean


   





   



   

Re: CS>Silver puppy

[Lena Guyot]

Well said, PT!
Léna
On Apr 23, 2017, at 4:48 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

> Gentleman...
> PT
> 
> 
> 
> From: Smitty <papad...@gmail.com>
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Silver puppy
> 
> I s Ode a man or woman ?
> 
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Ode Coyote <silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That would be www.silverpuppy.com
> 
> Ode
> 
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:58 PM, PT Ferrance <ptf2...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Ode sells them all the time.  Check his website.
> PT
> 
> 
> 
> From: Mitchel Davis <mddav...@gmail.com>
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:15 PM
> Subject: CS>Silver puppy
> 
> Anyone selling a silver puppy?
> 
> On Apr 22, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jean Baugh" <oldgloryte...@srcaccess.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone tell in plain English, what silver oxide is?
> 
> The reason I ask, found a jar of Terracil Max, totally rancid by smell.  I 
> looked on the label and saw silver oxide as one of the ingredients.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jean
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: CS>Silver puppy

[Harsha Godavari]

Does it really matter :-? Read PT's  answer :-)
regardshg>Ode sells them all the time.  Check his website.>PT


- Original Message -
From: Smitty <papad...@gmail.com>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 14:34:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: CS>Silver puppy

I s Ode a man or woman ?
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Ode Coyote <silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:
That would be www.silverpuppy.com

Ode

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:58 PM, PT Ferrance <ptf2...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Ode sells them all the time.  Check his website.PT




From: Mitchel Davis <mddav...@gmail.com>
To:silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:15 PM
Subject: CS>Silver puppy

Anyone selling a silver puppy?
On Apr 22, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jean Baugh" <oldgloryte...@srcaccess.net> wrote:
Hi,
Can anyone tell in plain English, what silver oxide is?
The reason I ask, found a jar of Terracil Max, totally rancid by smell.  I 
looked on the label and saw silver oxide as one of the ingredients.
Thank you,
Jean

Re: CS>Silver puppy

[PT Ferrance]

Gentleman...PT



  From: Smitty <papad...@gmail.com>
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:34 PM
 Subject: Re: CS>Silver puppy
   
I s Ode a man or woman ?
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Ode Coyote <silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> wrote:

That would be www.silverpuppy.com

Ode

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:58 PM, PT Ferrance <ptf2...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Ode sells them all the time.  Check his website.PT



  From: Mitchel Davis <mddav...@gmail.com>
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:15 PM
 Subject: CS>Silver puppy
  
Anyone selling a silver puppy?
On Apr 22, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jean Baugh" <oldgloryte...@srcaccess.net> wrote:

Hi,
Can anyone tell in plain English, what silver oxide is?
The reason I ask, found a jar of Terracil Max, totally rancid by smell.  I 
looked on the label and saw silver oxide as one of the ingredients.
Thank you,
Jean


   





   

Re: CS>Silver puppy

[Smitty]

I s Ode a man or woman ?

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Ode Coyote 
wrote:

> That would be www.silverpuppy.com
>
> Ode
>
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:58 PM, PT Ferrance 
> wrote:
>
>> Ode sells them all the time.  Check his website.
>> PT
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Mitchel Davis 
>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:15 PM
>> *Subject:* CS>Silver puppy
>>
>> Anyone selling a silver puppy?
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jean Baugh" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can anyone tell in plain English, what silver oxide is?
>>
>> The reason I ask, found a jar of Terracil Max, totally rancid by smell.
>> I looked on the label and saw silver oxide as one of the ingredients.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Jean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Silver puppy

[Ode Coyote]

That would be www.silverpuppy.com

Ode

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:58 PM, PT Ferrance  wrote:

> Ode sells them all the time.  Check his website.
> PT
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Mitchel Davis 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:15 PM
> *Subject:* CS>Silver puppy
>
> Anyone selling a silver puppy?
>
> On Apr 22, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jean Baugh"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell in plain English, what silver oxide is?
>
> The reason I ask, found a jar of Terracil Max, totally rancid by smell.  I
> looked on the label and saw silver oxide as one of the ingredients.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jean
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>Silver puppy

[PT Ferrance]

Ode sells them all the time.  Check his website.PT



  From: Mitchel Davis 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:15 PM
 Subject: CS>Silver puppy
   
Anyone selling a silver puppy?
On Apr 22, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jean Baugh"  wrote:

Hi,
Can anyone tell in plain English, what silver oxide is?
The reason I ask, found a jar of Terracil Max, totally rancid by smell.  I 
looked on the label and saw silver oxide as one of the ingredients.
Thank you,
Jean


   

Re: CS>Silver Puppy 1 Gal?

[Ode Coyote]

If the jar isn't over 8-9 inches tall, the stirrer will work OK.  Over that
and you start to get thermal stratification layers.
It's actually faster and better to make 4 one quart batches and use part of
the previous batch to buffer the next in order to reduce or even eliminate
the time variable at the beginning.
Very large batches spend so much time at the higher concentrations that
anything that can happen, will happen sometime during that period

Ode

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:27 PM, JD  wrote:

> I have a 1 Gal (US) pickle jar, wondering I can make CS in my Silver Puppy
> or is 1 gal too big?  Note, I have that thermal stirrer (the light bulb
> thing at bottom) that is sold as with Silver Puppy.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Silver Puppy 1 Gal?

[Deborah Gerard]

Can someone comment on using a magnet instead of a stirrer under the jar that 
is used to brew CS?Thanks much Debbie 


On Monday, December 14, 2015 5:29 AM, Ode Coyote 
 wrote:
 

 If the jar isn't over 8-9 inches tall, the stirrer will work OK.  Over that 
and you start to get thermal stratification layers.
It's actually faster and better to make 4 one quart batches and use part of the 
previous batch to buffer the next in order to reduce or even eliminate the time 
variable at the beginning.
Very large batches spend so much time at the higher concentrations that 
anything that can happen, will happen sometime during that period

Ode

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:27 PM, JD  wrote:

I have a 1 Gal (US) pickle jar, wondering I can make CS in my Silver Puppy or 
is 1 gal too big?  Note, I have that thermal stirrer (the light bulb thing at 
bottom) that is sold as with Silver Puppy.

Thanks



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Re: CS>Silver Puppy 1 Gal?

[Jerry Durand]

First, a magnet is used to turn the stirring rod/balls.  The magnet is
typically mounted on a geared motor mounted under the container.

Second, I've thought about stirring with just magnetic fields.  Since
this solution is ionized, a decent magnetic field will cause the flow to
curve.  I don't know if a static field from a permanent magnet would do
a good enough job, haven't looked into it that far.  This might need a
changing field from an electromagnet.

Unless the permanent magnet would work, it seems the old rotating magnet
on a motor version is the way to go.

On 12/14/2015 11:18 AM, Deborah Gerard wrote:
> Can someone comment on using a magnet instead of a stirrer under the
> jar that is used to brew CS?
> Thanks much Debbie
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 14, 2015 5:29 AM, Ode Coyote
>  wrote:
>
>
> If the jar isn't over 8-9 inches tall, the stirrer will work OK.  Over
> that and you start to get thermal stratification layers.
> It's actually faster and better to make 4 one quart batches and use
> part of the previous batch to buffer the next in order to reduce or
> even eliminate the time variable at the beginning.
> Very large batches spend so much time at the higher concentrations
> that anything that can happen, will happen sometime during that period
>
> Ode
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:27 PM, JD  > wrote:
>
> I have a 1 Gal (US) pickle jar, wondering I can make CS in my
> Silver Puppy or is 1 gal too big?  Note, I have that thermal
> stirrer (the light bulb thing at bottom) that is sold as with
> Silver Puppy.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Silver Puppy 1 Gal?

[John Popelish]

On 12/14/2015 02:26 PM, Jerry Durand wrote:

First, a magnet is used to turn the stirring rod/balls.Â
The magnet is typically mounted on a geared motor mounted
under the container.

(snip)

I glued a couple neodymium disk magnets to a steel washer 
glued to the hub of a small computer fan and put that 
beneath a thin sheet of plywood, under my jar.  This spins 
one of those little teflon covered lab magnets, very nicely.
Without the steel washer, the magnets confuse the position 
sensing circuit that turns the motor.


I hadn't thought that the rotating magnetic field might 
torque the silver water, directly, if gently.


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Re: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers

[Dee]

Brilliant as always OdeDee

Sent from my iPad

> On 12 Dec 2015, at 11:55, Ode Coyote  wrote:
> 
> Once you hit the solubility limits of silver ions in water at around 13 PPM, 
> you go into a supersaturation area where environmental variables... trace 
> impurities, temperature etc. play a greater and greater role in 'kicking' off 
> a non conductive particle formation cascade reaction.
> 'What' is in the water often counts more than how much..and no way to know 
> what, what is.
>  The variables connected with particle formation in a super saturated 
> solution make meters more and more fraught with error the further past the 
> saturation point you go because meters don't register anything BUT ionic 
> content.
> 
> A meter reading past around 15 uS just doesn't mean very much.
> 
> So, up to around 10-12 uS a meter says something fairly reliable but getting 
> there with current 'ramp up to control' on an exponential curve, starting who 
> knows where, making time a HUGE variable with the slightest difference in 
> initial water conductivity...well...using a clock just doesn't work.
> But once the current control circuits stabilizes the current, ion emission 
> rate is predictably linear using Faraday calculations and a clock.
> 
> You know how much silver entered the water..but what Faraday doesn't say is 
> how much *stayed* in the water.
> 
> If there is very little on the bottom, most of it did.
> 
> But
> The stronger you make it, the more densely packed uncharged particles are and 
> the more likely they are to encounter each other and agglomerate into larger 
> particles, forming crystals around a seed nucleus and getting big enough to 
> settle out.
> 
> Ode
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Jerry Durand  
>> wrote:
>> I suspect the main benefit of the high ppm solutions is to the bank account 
>> of the seller.  I also suspect they use pretty high current or maybe 
>> sputtering to get that much silver in there.
>> 
>> Or, they just lie about the number.
>> 
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, I ran a pint batch with the Silver Puppy set to 10 ticks 
>> on the manual mode.  I started with distilled water (0-1 uS by my meter) and 
>> the next day when it was done it only read 14 uS.  I left it sit for a few 
>> days and then it read 12 uS.   Seems awfully low for running that long. 
>> 
>> A normal auto run on the Silver Puppy gives a reading of 10 uS.
>> 
>>> On 12/11/2015 03:32 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>>> But since the physical properties of silver and water limit how much silver 
>>> will STAY in the water [solubility limits], relatively all of that 42,000 
>>> will be sludge on the bottom as silver hydroxide and silver oxidewasted.
>>> Some suspend the garbage in the water by making the water thicker, like old 
>>> used dirty motor oil can hold a lot of dirt
>>> ...MSP  Mild Silver Protein can be 50 or even 1000+ PPM,  big chunks of 
>>> silver suspended in jello.
>>> Lots of silver, little benefit.
>>> 
>>> Ode
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
>> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
>> 
> 

Re: CS>Silver Puppy 1 Gal?

[Patricia]

I think that is too much.  I make 24 oz and get perfect CS.  I have the 
Silver Puppy also.  I let it run on the swap setting until it turns off 
and then I continue to run on manual about 2 hrs.  That gives me about 
20-24 ppm.


On 12/13/2015 8:27 PM, JD wrote:
I have a 1 Gal (US) pickle jar, wondering I can make CS in my Silver 
Puppy or is 1 gal too big?  Note, I have that thermal stirrer (the 
light bulb thing at bottom) that is sold as with Silver Puppy.


Thanks



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Re: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers

[Ode Coyote]

Once you hit the solubility limits of silver ions in water at around 13
PPM, you go into a supersaturation area where environmental variables...
trace impurities, temperature etc. play a greater and greater role in
'kicking' off a non conductive particle formation cascade reaction.
'What' is in the water often counts more than how much..and no way to know
what, what is.
 The variables connected with particle formation in a super saturated
solution make meters more and more fraught with error the further past the
saturation point you go because meters don't register anything BUT ionic
content.

A meter reading past around 15 uS just doesn't mean very much.

So, up to around 10-12 uS a meter says something fairly reliable but
getting there with current 'ramp up to control' on an exponential curve,
starting who knows where, making time a HUGE variable with the slightest
difference in initial water conductivity...well...using a clock just
doesn't work.
But once the current control circuits stabilizes the current, ion emission
rate is predictably linear using Faraday calculations and a clock.

You know how much silver entered the water..but what Faraday doesn't say is
how much *stayed* in the water.

If there is very little on the bottom, most of it did.

But
The stronger you make it, the more densely packed uncharged particles are
and the more likely they are to encounter each other and agglomerate into
larger particles, forming crystals around a seed nucleus and getting big
enough to settle out.

Ode

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Jerry Durand 
wrote:

> I suspect the main benefit of the high ppm solutions is to the bank
> account of the seller.  I also suspect they use pretty high current or
> maybe sputtering to get that much silver in there.
>
> Or, they just lie about the number.
>
>
> Out of curiosity, I ran a pint batch with the Silver Puppy set to 10 ticks
> on the manual mode.  I started with distilled water (0-1 uS by my meter)
> and the next day when it was done it only read 14 uS.  I left it sit for a
> few days and then it read 12 uS.   Seems awfully low for running that long.
>
> A normal auto run on the Silver Puppy gives a reading of 10 uS.
>
> On 12/11/2015 03:32 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>
> But since the physical properties of silver and water limit how much
> silver will STAY in the water [solubility limits], relatively all of that
> 42,000 will be sludge on the bottom as silver hydroxide and silver
> oxidewasted.
> Some suspend the garbage in the water by making the water thicker, like
> old used dirty motor oil can hold a lot of dirt
> ...MSP  Mild Silver Protein can be 50 or even 1000+ PPM,  big chunks of
> silver suspended in jello.
> Lots of silver, little benefit.
>
> Ode
>
>
> --
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
>
>

Re: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers

[Theresa]

I'm using the generator from the Silver Lungs sight. Does anyone have an 
opinion about the quality of silver it makes?  
I start w distilled water with a 0 particle reading and run a batch on "long" 
cycle (2 hrs?) and get an 8-10
Reading when auto timed out. 
Thanks
Theresa

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> On Dec 12, 2015, at 5:55 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:
> 
> Once you hit the solubility limits of silver ions in water at around 13 PPM, 
> you go into a supersaturation area where environmental variables... trace 
> impurities, temperature etc. play a greater and greater role in 'kicking' off 
> a non conductive particle formation cascade reaction.
> 'What' is in the water often counts more than how much..and no way to know 
> what, what is.
>  The variables connected with particle formation in a super saturated 
> solution make meters more and more fraught with error the further past the 
> saturation point you go because meters don't register anything BUT ionic 
> content.
> 
> A meter reading past around 15 uS just doesn't mean very much.
> 
> So, up to around 10-12 uS a meter says something fairly reliable but getting 
> there with current 'ramp up to control' on an exponential curve, starting who 
> knows where, making time a HUGE variable with the slightest difference in 
> initial water conductivity...well...using a clock just doesn't work.
> But once the current control circuits stabilizes the current, ion emission 
> rate is predictably linear using Faraday calculations and a clock.
> 
> You know how much silver entered the water..but what Faraday doesn't say is 
> how much *stayed* in the water.
> 
> If there is very little on the bottom, most of it did.
> 
> But
> The stronger you make it, the more densely packed uncharged particles are and 
> the more likely they are to encounter each other and agglomerate into larger 
> particles, forming crystals around a seed nucleus and getting big enough to 
> settle out.
> 
> Ode
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Jerry Durand  
>> wrote:
>> I suspect the main benefit of the high ppm solutions is to the bank account 
>> of the seller.  I also suspect they use pretty high current or maybe 
>> sputtering to get that much   silver in there.
>> 
>> Or, they just lie about the number.
>> 
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, I ran a pint batch with the Silver Puppy set to 10 ticks 
>> on the manual mode.  I started with distilled water (0-1 uS by my meter) and 
>> the next day when it was done it only read 14 uS.  I left it sit for a few 
>> days and then it read 12 uS.   Seems awfully low for running that long. 
>> 
>> A normal auto run on the Silver Puppy gives a reading of 10 uS.
>> 
>>> On 12/11/2015 03:32 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>>> But since the physical properties of silver and water limit how much silver 
>>> will STAY in the water [solubility limits], relatively all of that 42,000 
>>> will be sludge on the bottom as silver hydroxide and silver oxidewasted.
>>> Some suspend the garbage in the water by making the water thicker, like old 
>>> used dirty motor oil can hold a lot of dirt
>>> ...MSP  Mild Silver Protein can be 50 or even 1000+ PPM,  big chunks of 
>>> silver suspended in jello.
>>> Lots of silver, little benefit.
>>> 
>>> Ode
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
>> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
>> 
> 

Re: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers

[Ode Coyote]

But since the physical properties of silver and water limit how much silver
will STAY in the water [solubility limits], relatively all of that 42,000
will be sludge on the bottom as silver hydroxide and silver oxidewasted.
Some suspend the garbage in the water by making the water thicker, like old
used dirty motor oil can hold a lot of dirt
...MSP  Mild Silver Protein can be 50 or even 1000+ PPM,  big chunks of
silver suspended in jello.
Lots of silver, little benefit.

Ode

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Debra & David  wrote:

> A Faraday calculation of volume/current/time provides the answer.
>
> The 'puppy has controlled current (about 1 mA at the electrodes) so a
> Faraday calculation using current, volume and time can provide an answer.
>
> In a pint each EXTRA hour adds about 8ppm. In a quart its about 4 ppm per
> hour.
>
> But note that the water has to be conductive. (i.e. if you are using
> distilled water you have to have already run the 'puppy in auto mode).
>
> In a pint, 42,000 ppm would take about 5250 hours.
>
> David
>
>
>
> On 11/12/2015 6:41 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:
>
> Subject:
> CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers
> From:
> Jerry Durand  
> Date:
> 10/12/2015 6:28 AM
> To:
> "silver-list@eskimo.com"  
> 
> I had someone ask me for the "ppm" number if I run the Silver Puppy way
> into overtime like 12 hours or so.  I know that almost all people are
> reading the ppm number off a tds meter that's calibrated for table salt,
> getting people to understand calibration is a losing battle.
>
> I just picked up a batch that's been sitting around for a while and it
> reads 14 uSeimens, so for that batch what should I tell them?
>
> Or do I just do like the eBay marketers and make up a number?  "It's 42000
> ppm, it's REALLY good stuff!"  :)
>
> --
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
>
>
>

Re: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers

[Jerry Durand]

I suspect the main benefit of the high ppm solutions is to the bank
account of the seller.  I also suspect they use pretty high current or
maybe sputtering to get that much silver in there.

Or, they just lie about the number.


Out of curiosity, I ran a pint batch with the Silver Puppy set to 10
ticks on the manual mode.  I started with distilled water (0-1 uS by my
meter) and the next day when it was done it only read 14 uS.  I left it
sit for a few days and then it read 12 uS.   Seems awfully low for
running that long.

A normal auto run on the Silver Puppy gives a reading of 10 uS.

On 12/11/2015 03:32 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
> But since the physical properties of silver and water limit how much
> silver will STAY in the water [solubility limits], relatively all of
> that 42,000 will be sludge on the bottom as silver hydroxide and
> silver oxidewasted.
> Some suspend the garbage in the water by making the water thicker,
> like old used dirty motor oil can hold a lot of dirt
> ...MSP  Mild Silver Protein can be 50 or even 1000+ PPM,  big chunks
> of silver suspended in jello.
> Lots of silver, little benefit.
>
> Ode
>

-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886

Re: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers

[Asif Nathekar]

that's a question everyone struggles with

however I have come to an understanding after much deliberating and research...

For CS I treat the us figure as the actual PPM.

So if you are getting 14us, I would take that as 14ppm.

this would show on your meter as 7ppm. 

I do brew the CS to around 30us sometimes, but to be honest it hits a wall 
around there, and I do not think its the best stuff. I would keep it to 
around 12-20us (6-10 ppm).

Regards.

From: Jerry Durand 
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 7:58 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers

I had someone ask me for the "ppm" number if I run the Silver Puppy way into 
overtime like 12 hours or so.  I know that almost all people are reading the 
ppm number off a tds meter that's calibrated for table salt, getting people to 
understand calibration is a losing battle.

I just picked up a batch that's been sitting around for a while and it reads 14 
uSeimens, so for that batch what should I tell them?  

Or do I just do like the eBay marketers and make up a number?  "It's 42000 ppm, 
it's REALLY good stuff!"  :)


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886

Re: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers

[Lola Harris]

Hi... have been a member for a few years now and was purchasing my cs from a 
member who sold cs thru his business website.  I am under the impression (from 
another member's posting)and the fact that I can't access his website any 
longer that this member isn't selling his cs anylonger?  I am sure you 
long-time members know who I am referring to.  His product is wonderfuland I am 
running low.  Anybody else selling their cs?  If so, you can private message me 
if you like.Thanks, Lola ps.  I used to buy commercial cs products before 
finding this site and this wonderful man.  Hiscs has totally spoiled me.  His 
product is clear with no 'taste' and is so superior to otc products.   
- Original Message -
From: Jerry Durand 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 14:58:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: CS>Silver Puppy "ppm" numbers

I had someone ask me for the "ppm" number if I
 run the Silver Puppy way into overtime like 12 hours or so.  I
 know that almost all people are reading the ppm number off a tds
 meter that's calibrated for table salt, getting people to
 understand calibration is a losing battle.


 I just picked up a batch that's been sitting around for a while
 and it reads 14 uSeimens, so for that batch what should I tell
 them?  


 Or do I just do like the eBay marketers and make up a number? 
 "It's 42000 ppm, it's REALLY good stuff!"  :)

-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886